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Iran nuclear talks: 'Historic' agreement struck

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Ubiquitin, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33518524

    Provisions include
    • A compromise over the inspection of sites within Iran, the Associated Press quotes a diplomat as saying - UN inspectors would be allowed to monitor military sites but Iran could challenge requests for access
    • Iran has accepted that sanctions could be restored in 65 days if it violates the deal, Reuters cited diplomats as saying
    • A UN arms embargo and missile sanctions would remain in place for five and eight years respectively, Reuters reports
    • Sanctions in areas including oil and gas trading, financial transactions, aviation and shipping will be lifted and billions of dollars of Iranian assets unfrozen, Iranian media report

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. mc mark

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    Let us remember this isn't just an agreement between Iran and the United States

    UK, France, China, Russia plus Germany all have agreed to the accord.

    Well done Mr. Obama!
     
  3. Commodore

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    to paraphrase Krauthammer, Obama wants a deal, Kerry wants a Nobel, and Iran wants the bomb, and they'll get all three
     
  4. Major

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    Do you have any thoughts of your own or just reposting more random thoughts you find on twitter? Do you know any of the details of the deal?
     
  5. Commodore

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    lifting of arms embargo(!) and billions in cash for the worlds leading sponsor of terrorism

    no snap inspections (!), must give three weeks notice

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Top admin official, Ben Rhodes, in April: "We will have anytime, anywhere access to the nuclear facilities." <a href="https://t.co/sxDuxTcf4Y" title="https://twitter.com/mawilner/status/620908888389517312">twitter.com/mawilner/statu…</a></p>&mdash; Stephen Hayes (@stephenfhayes) <a href="https://twitter.com/stephenfhayes/status/620910955271188480" data-datetime="2015-07-14T11:01:22+00:00">July 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Sanctions relief will include American-murdering archterrorists. Arms embargo is being dismantled. No anytime-anywhere. Wow.</p>&mdash; Omri Ceren (@cerenomri) <a href="https://twitter.com/cerenomri/status/620916256930041857" data-datetime="2015-07-14T11:22:26+00:00">July 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-in-reply-to="620918486571692032"><p>Rouhani: they started by saying 100 centrifuges, then bottom line was 4000. Now we have over 6000, 5000 in Natanz, 1000 Fordow <a class="hashtag" action="hash" title="#IranTalks">#IranTalks</a></p>&mdash; Ariane M. Tabatabai (@ArianeTabatabai) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArianeTabatabai/status/620919228724441088" data-datetime="2015-07-14T11:34:14+00:00">July 14, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  6. mc mark

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    It's okay. 140 characters is about the length of the average conservative attention span.
     
  7. Amiga

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    Let me try that 1400 chars.

    No deal is better than a bad deal.... because war is better than a bad deal. Yea, did it.
     
  8. Bobbythegreat

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    Well good for Iran.
     
  9. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Oil is going to drop like a stone!

    I think I'm gonna get a V8
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I have to say I am not a fan of the deal. I think unlimited access to sites at anytime would have been a key requirement we should not have budged on.
     
  11. NewRoxFan

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    Couple of questions... did we have unlimited access to Iraq leading up to the Gulf wars? And what access do we currently have to Iran's sites?
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    The goal wasn't to stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons, it was to get a deal done.
     
  13. NewRoxFan

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    While that didn't answer either my questions, here's a third question... why does it have to be either "get a deal done" or "stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons."
     
  14. Bobbythegreat

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    Well because Iran wants nuclear weapons and they wouldn't agree to a deal that prevented them from developing them. They wanted relief from sanctions while still developing nuclear weapons, the US wanted to say they got a deal done. Both sides win.
     
  15. tomato

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    how do I get the UN to talk to me? am I too much of a nice guy?
     
  16. Dubious

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    I've never worried about them having "the Bomb" because it only assures their destruction if they ever used it, all told I think even the ayatollahs are rational and non-suicidal. It's certainly more about the country's significance on the world stage, and, they are going to have their hands full in Iraq, Syria and need a middleman to deal with Saudi Arabia.

    In 10 years I think Iran will be more of an ally than enemy. Chaos is the real enemy civilization is facing ahead.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    Foreign policy dunce Obama at it again. He's trying to create some kind of legacy, even if it means getting a deal at any cost. The US compromised on many, many points.
     
  18. CometsWin

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    I enjoy the conservative position that there is no compromise in negotiation. Time will tell if this is a good deal however the alternative to a deal is most certainly war in the near future so yeah. Bush already blew a hole in the budget to screw around in Iraq so our bargaining position with respect to the threat of war is pretty weak. Thanks, Bush.
     
  19. bigtexxx

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    bwwwwaaaaahahaha

    when it doubt, blame Bush! The never ending excuse from the liberals for anything. Accountability -- learn what that means please. tia
     
  20. CometsWin

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    I think it's fairly evident that our 8 year waltz through Iraq weakens our ability to use the threat of war with Iran as a negotiation tactic. This is really all over your head so you're excused.
     

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