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Republican Candidates for 2016

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by chrispbrown, May 17, 2013.

  1. robbie380

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    Yes, it showed how other countries' workers work less hours, with the exception of some places in Asia.
     
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    Bush's campaign clarified that he was referring to shifting the part-time labor force to more fulltime work. That may have been just damage control, but I'm fine with where they landed. The proliferation of part-time jobs is a burden on the working class and I'd like to see us do something to make sure part-time workers are paid full value for the flexibility they give their employers (and if that encourages more fulltime work, that's great too).

    I disagree with him that we need more labor participation. Sure, it's dropping, but that's mostly because of an aging population. With all the automation our economy has seen and the big improvements in worker productivity, along with lengthening life expectancies, I see it as a feather in our cap that labor participation can go down and that there are people who can choose to not work. I am much more interested in fair distributions of wealth, but then I guess that's why he's a republican and I shade socialist.
     
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    Did it show that? I mean did it really?

    From what I see when I read the link, they charted 6 countries; the US, France, Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea.

    Of the 6, the US ranked ahead of Germany and France and behind Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea.

    So we have 2 European countries and 3 Asian ones. I don't think calling the Asian countries the exception at the link is appropriate.
     
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    His explanation ignores that most people who work part-time do so because a) it's their choice for whatever practical reasons (supplemental income, students, etc.) or b) it's not their choice and would prefer to be working full-time. He's focusing on a very narrow population if that's his explanation. It ends up just being a variance on the tired Republican "poors are lazy and that's why they're poors" mantra.
     
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    This is largely correct, but the biggest problem is that his "clarification" necessarily rests on the sham logic that by somehow increasing labor supply you'll magically see more labor demand and then boom, 4% growth, b****es.

    It doesn't work that way, it has never worked that way, i don't know how many more times supply side dumbassery, and Laffer curves and the related nonsense needs to be disproven and debunked before people stop taking it seriously.
     
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    "Be happy with the status quo; look how crappy some East Asian countries have it" is not a winning campaign slogan.
     
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    I know one thing for sure, I deal with a lot of 20-25 year old individuals who are starting jobs and it is baffling to me how much time off they think they should have.
     
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    The concept of a weekend was once pretty radical too. :)
     
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    THe perception of being at work has changed more or less for everybody, not just 25 year olds. On average people "work" a lot more now due to smart phones and remote access leading to peopel always being effectively on call regardless of its overall necessity.

    Frankly if everybody at my job jsut said "screw it I'm not gonna send that email after 6 pm unless it's critical, I'd say that 90% of those messages wouldn't exist and the impact on output would be negligible.
     
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    That's also a good point. It's funny, both extremes are at play. I'm expected to have my phone ready to respond to any need of a client at all hours of the day. At the same time I see these kids fresh out of college that think their job is unreasonable for wanting them to stay later than 4pm and they don't understand why they work full days on Fridays.
     
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    I'm 38 and I wonder that now. My job can be done from literally anywhere in the world. There is no reason for me to be tied down to an office. To be fair, my company leaves stuff like this up to the manager's discretion, I just don't like the discretion of my manager.
     
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    Being able to do your job from somewhere else and wanting to be done with your job completely earlier than everyone else are different things. I don't actually have to stay at my office all day.
     
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    https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

    Not saying that we need to be working a ton more but we are in the middle of the pack and not just behind some places in east Asia
     
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    I remember my first office job out of college. I'd get worn out by 3 pm and wonder how people could keep going till 5. My endurance eventually improved. I don't think this is some kind of grand generational shift. I think it's that kids in their early 20s have no perspective, and oftentimes no work ethic.
     
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    Yup - every generation seems to look at future generations as lazy, having it easy, etc.
     
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    Avoid having children and you don't have to slave away in the workforce like a rat.

    It a win-win...less work and no kids.

    (at least it's a win-win for me)
     
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    on the flip side when you have a child and experience the intense love you have for him (i have a 5 year old boy) and imagine never meeting that person in your life. ill make due with my 2015 370z instead of 2015 GTR ;)
     
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    I do not think that right now. No generation will ever have as easy as I did.
     
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    Trump leaps to 1st in another republican primary state poll. Seems a lot of republicans agree with his assessment of immigrants and immigration.

    The GOP frontrunner: Donald Trump?
     

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