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K.J. McDaniels Offer Sheet Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. D-rock

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    Rockets had Brew's bird rights. His signing should not have an effect on re-signing Smoove.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    He was a rookie and didn't really get all that much time to get acclimated to what the Rockets like to do on the court last season.

    You can never have too much wing depth.
     
  3. finsraider

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    This has more to do with Harden and Ariza than Brewer. Both were in the top 10 in the league in minutes played. Keeping KJ gives you insurance, allows you to play Ariza and maybe Harden less, and is a high upside player that will have value on the market.
     
  4. oakdogg

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    I don't think that's what I'm saying. Several people are assuming that Brewer is KJ's floor. In other words, if KJ doesn't develop at all, he is as good as Brewer. I pointed out reasons to think otherwise.

    Someone else talked about the importance of wing depth. We do have Dekker too.

    I'm sure this would be a value signing. I just don't want to risk losing Josh Smith over him.
     
  5. roslolian

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    Just a guess but I think Josh is a little bit higher on the priority list than KJ :p
     
  6. basketballholic

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    My thoughts on K.J. McDaniels and a possible offer sheet:



    First of all, McDaniels is trade-able. He can be signed-and-traded using his non-birds rights. So, from this standpoint, he is a trade asset if another team wants him.

    But what happens if he signs an offer sheet and the offer sheet is above the non-birds rights salary limit as has been rumored will happen eventually? With some rumors even stating that multiple teams are willing to give him the full MLE??

    I'm not convinced Morey wants to pay full MLE for McDaniels and be stuck with him untrade-able for the entire season since K.J. does have the right to refuse a trade in that first season and he absolutely cannot be traded to the team that he signed an offer sheet with and wanted to go to.

    I think there is the possibility that Morey could use McDaniels restricted free agency to generate a favorable trade. Hear me out now before jumping on the "it's against the CBA" bandwagon. I am well aware of this section of the CBA. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44 And very specifically I'm aware of this particular language under question #44 of cbafaq.com

    But that doesn't mean a trade can't be executed between 2 teams that are the teams that gave the offer sheet and the team that has right of first refusal on any signed offer sheet.

    Here's a basic example:

    Minnesota decides they want to trade Ricky Rubio. We negotiate a trade with them sending them Kostas, Pablo, Jones, Capela, rights to Sergio Llull, and our 2016 first rounder. (Don't attack the proposed trade. It's just an example. You can make up your own example if you think this one is unbalanced.) While negotiating this trade, Minnesota decides to sign McDaniels to an offer sheet. We execute the trade and it is approved by the league. Shortly after approval we notify the league we will not be matching the McDaniels offer sheet.

    So, essentially what happens in the 2 separate transactions is we get Rubio and Minny gets Jones, Capela, rights to Llull, 2016 first rounder, and...McDaniels. And we've still got our MLE to add somebody else rather than matching McDaniels.


    Now....if you think that won't pass circumvention if lined up in that manner with the trade clearing first before the decision is made on McDaniels' offer sheet...then the transaction(s) could go down thustly.

    1. Trade is made.
    2. McDaniels offer is withdrawn and he is renounced.
    3. Minny signs McDaniels outright.

    This particular arrangement puts more pressure on the teams as the player is then free to "fly the coop" and go elsewhere but if executed with the right timing and the right research knowing he really doesn't want to go elsewhere and/or there's no other teams wanting to offer the same money, this risk could be reduced substantially.


    Just something to think about.

    Some of the teams I would watch for giving McDaniels an offer sheet to see if a trade develops between us and them:

    1. Minnesota (Rubio)
    2. Atlanta (Teague or Schroder)
    3. Boston (one of their guards/pgs)
    4. Milwaukee (Ennis)
    5. OKC (Augustine/??)
    6. Portland (McCollum)
    7. Toronto (Lowry)
    8. Possibly Utah (Burke/Exum)
     
  7. zeeshan2

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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: New Orleans Pelicans have expressed interest in signing K.J. McDaniels to an offer sheet. He's antsy to sign once moratorium ends.</p>&mdash; Jake Pavorsky (@JakePavorsky) <a href="https://twitter.com/JakePavorsky/status/618961184465793025">July 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  8. linkz1993

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    we get norris cole?
     
  9. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    We get nothing and like it.
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Nah, we just match the offer sheet and we keep KJ
     
  11. TheRealAllpro

    TheRealAllpro Morey only fan

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    Btw if true. I love it. Pelicans only have 2.6 left on their MLE and their BAE at 2.1. Swipe left because we will match.
     
  12. Mkieke

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    We know Morey has a plan in place, in fact multiple plans in place. And I think we all know he wants to win now rather than in 3-4 years. KJ is a very nice piece, but to Morey, at this point, he's only a trade asset, so I wouldn't be shocked IF:

    Morey's extended the MLE to Smoove but kept it under wraps so that the threat of a KJ match actually holds weight. Feigen, the Rocket's mouthpiece, even came out and said "MLE IS RESERVED FOR KJ."

    Minnesota makes some sense - KJ/Wiggins/Towns would be an elite defensive crew - but unfortunately they haven't appeared to show any interest to this point.
     
  13. finsraider

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    Not sure it's that simple. They could "Asik/Lin" us by giving him a fat 3rd and/or 4th year.
     
  14. malakas

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    let's add dallas to the teams in danger of poison pilling Kj.
     
  15. Carl Herrera

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    IIRC, the "fat 3rd/4th yr" can only happen if the first 2 years are for the full non-taxpayer MLE.
     
  16. micah1j

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    Don't they need cap space or exception for the average of the life of the contact to poison pill it. NO has no space.
     
  17. Baqui99

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    Who cares? This guy is way overrated - can't make a jumper to save his life.
     
  18. finsraider

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    Thanks. Didn't know that was the constraint.

    In that case, please sign the offer KJ.
     
  19. Zoplicone

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    Yeah did I miss something here or are we just that bored with our moves this summer?
    To the guys claiming KJ is going to get poison pill offer and what not, this dude has literally done nothing yet. His best play was on the worst team ever, and yet he still got traded for nothing. And then didn't play. No one rates this guy high.
    Get real.
     
  20. rocketpower2

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    McDaniels won't get more then the full MLE unless Cuban sees fits to throw a crazy offer sheet at him.
     

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