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[Climate Change] Lake Erie up to 60% Covered in Ice

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Jan 13, 2015.

  1. Dubious

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    I read on Reddit the other day that Albert Einstein's son went into the study of fluid dynamics. When asked about if he was proud of his son, Einstein said something to the effect that he was working on more complex problems than Einstein was.

    The fluid dynamics of world wide weather is massively complex. I don't think human beings can actually approach an understanding of all the inner workings and relationships involved. We can broad brush and make educated guesses but microscale effects can change the future.

    butterfly wings, chaos
     
  2. MadMax

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    I read this post entirely in the voice of Jeff Goldblum.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Did you add at the end "Change your apartment, change the world"?
     
  4. Dubious

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    And not even a cameo in the new one.... boo.

    B. D. Wong as Dr. Henry Wu, chief geneticist and head of the team that created dinosaurs for Hammond's Jurassic Park. He is the only character from any of the previous films to be in Jurassic World.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_World
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    I'm not a big fan of the Jurassic Park movie franchise but liked the original book. I'm curious about how big of a role they give to Dr. Wu as he was a major character in the book but barely mentioned in the original movie.

    To make this D&D worthy. I recall at the time some Asians pointing to that as a sign of discrimination in Hollywood towards to Asian characters.
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    Wettest month ever; no climate change or CO2 blame from NOAA. Gosh dunnit, summin needa tell dem dat days wrong.

     
  7. Dubious

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    There are multiple factors that effect weather and multiple factors that effect climate, and, all are interrelated. It's more than complicated but trends are discernable.
     
  8. rimrocker

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    Current Alaska wildfires:

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  9. Deckard

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    Good grief! Is Alaska in the midst of a bad drought like most of the West Coast?
     
  10. rimrocker

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    Abnormally dry and 80 degrees plus over the last few weeks. Temps are averaging more than 10 degrees above normal in many places. Fairbanks has pushed 90 degrees in the last few days. Plus, they have had a number of dry lightning events.

    Drought map:

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  11. Deckard

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    Wow. Looks like you're going to be a very busy guy this summer. Be careful!
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    The selective picking of single events to highlight continue.

    May 2015 global temp avg was highest ever for the same span of years that May 2015 was the wettest ever in the US. Of course one was highlighted and the other not. It wasn't difficult to see both when they are provided by the same source and have link to each other.
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    Well, if you want selective picking of single events, read below. I just happen to think it is more of a sign of Boston than climate change.

     
  15. JuanValdez

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    Don't see why it's incumbent on NOAA to blame the rain on climate change, but I do see how it might have been a factor.
     
  16. okierock

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    The climate up until it rained a lot had been dry. Now it is wet.... Climate change!
     
  17. Cohete Rojo

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    I'm not even sure what your attempting to argue anymore. As your link indicates that is only for the contiguous US and not a global phenomena.

    Then again all you've done in this thread is pretty much bring up localized events when by definition global warming and climate change pertain to more than localized phenomena.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    Becuz 'Mercuh.

    Sound science.

    Truth.

    FREEDOM
     
  20. robbie380

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    I guess this goes here

    http://phys.org/news/2015-07-irregular-heartbeat-sun-driven-dynamo.html

    Irregular heartbeat of the Sun driven by double dynamo

    A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645. Results will be presented today by Prof Valentina Zharkova at the National Astronomy Meeting in Llandudno.

    It is 172 years since a scientist first spotted that the Sun's activity varies over a cycle lasting around 10 to 12 years. But every cycle is a little different and none of the models of causes to date have fully explained fluctuations. Many solar physicists have put the cause of the solar cycle down to a dynamo caused by convecting fluid deep within the Sun. Now, Zharkova and her colleagues have found that adding a second dynamo, close to the surface, completes the picture with surprising accuracy.

    "We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun's interior. They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time. Over the cycle, the waves fluctuate between the northern and southern hemispheres of the Sun. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%," said Zharkova.

    Zharkova and her colleagues derived their model using a technique called 'principal component analysis' of the magnetic field observations from the Wilcox Solar Observatory in California. They examined three solar cycles-worth of magnetic field activity, covering the period from 1976-2008. In addition, they compared their predictions to average sunspot numbers, another strong marker of solar activity. All the predictions and observations were closely matched.

    Looking ahead to the next solar cycles, the model predicts that the pair of waves become increasingly offset during Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022. During Cycle 26, which covers the decade from 2030-2040, the two waves will become exactly out of synch and this will cause a significant reduction in solar activity.

    "In cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other – peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a 'Maunder minimum'," said Zharkova. "Effectively, when the waves are approximately in phase, they can show strong interaction, or resonance, and we have strong solar activity. When they are out of phase, we have solar minimums. When there is full phase separation, we have the conditions last seen during the Maunder minimum, 370 years ago."
     
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