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What do people think about Bitcoin?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Spooner, Jan 25, 2014.

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What is the fate of Bitcoin?

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  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Man, you need a vacation or something.

    Everything alright?
     
  2. RedRedemption

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    Meltdown.
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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  4. GanjaRocket

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    Simply got better **** to do than sit on clutchfans homies!

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  5. RedRedemption

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    Clearly!
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  6. GanjaRocket

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    My works done.. ✌
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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  8. GanjaRocket

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    <img src = http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4348615/deal-with-it-o.gif>

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  9. Invisible Fan

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    Too bad Breh can't afford one anymore.
     
  10. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Cruise lines don't take Bitcoin yet? SMH
     
  11. Major

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    Nothing like this to give people faith in holding their money in bitcoins.

    https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining


    Some Miners Generating Invalid Blocks
    4 July 2015

    This document is being updated as new information arrives. Last update: 2015-07-06 02:00. All times are UTC.

    Note: this alert is on-going: the situation has not yet been resolved. (Update #1)
    Summary

    Your bitcoins are safe if you received them in transactions confirmed before 2015-07-06 00:00 UTC.

    However, there has been a problem with a planned upgrade. For bitcoins received later than the time above, confirmation scores are significantly less reliable then they usually are for users of certain software:

    Lightweight (SPV) wallet users should wait an additional 30 confirmations more than you would normally wait. Electrum users, please see this note.
    Bitcoin Core 0.9.4 or earlier users should wait an additional 30 confirmations more than you would normally wait or upgrade to Bitcoin Core 0.10.2.
    Web wallet users should wait an additional 30 confirmations more than you would normally wait, unless you know for sure that your wallet is secured by Bitcoin Core 0.9.5 or later.
    Bitcoin Core 0.9.5 or later users are unaffected. (Note: upgrade to 0.10.2 is recommended due to denial-of-service vulnerabilities unrelated to this alert.)

    Miners

    If you pool mine, please switch to a pool that properly validates blocks. The Wiki Mining Pool Comparison page currently contains a list of known (or suspected) good and bad pools.

    If you solo mine, please switch to Bitcoin Core 0.10.2.
    When Will Things Go Back To Normal?

    The problem is miners creating invalid blocks. Some software can detect that those blocks are invalid and reject them; other software can't detect that blocks are invalid, so they show confirmations that aren't real.

    Bitcoin Core 0.9.5 and later never had any problems because it could detect which blocks were invalid.
    Bitcoin Core 0.9.4 and earlier will never provide as much security as later versions of Bitcoin Core because it doesn't know about the additional BIP66 consensus rules. Upgrade is recommended to return to full node security.
    Lightweight (SPV) wallets are not safe for less than 30 confirmations until all the major pools switch to full validation.
    Web wallets are very diverse in what infrastructure they run and how they handle double spends, so unless you know for sure that they use Bitcoin Core 0.9.5 or later for full validation, you should assume they have the same security as the lightweight wallets described above.

    What's Happening

    Summary: Some miners are currently generating invalid blocks. Almost all software (besides Bitcoin Core 0.9.5 and later) will accept these invalid blocks under certain conditions.

    So far, the following forks of two or more blocks have occurred:

    Start date End time Blocks [1] Double Spends
    4 July @ 02:10 03:50 6 0
    5 July @ 21:50 23:40 3 Not yet known

    The paragraphs that follow explain the cause more throughly.

    For several months, an increasing amount of mining hash rate has been signaling its intent to begin enforcing BIP66 strict DER signatures. As part of the BIP66 rules, once 950 of the last 1,000 blocks were version 3 (v3) blocks, all upgraded miners would reject version 2 (v2) blocks.

    Early morning on 4 July 2015, the 950/1000 (95%) threshold was reached. Shortly thereafter, a small miner (part of the non-upgraded 5%) mined an invalid block--as was an expected occurrence. Unfortunately, it turned out that roughly half the network hash rate was mining without fully validating blocks (called SPV mining), and built new blocks on top of that invalid block.

    Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining had explicitly indicated that they would enforce the BIP66 rules. By not doing so, several large miners have lost over $50,000 dollars worth of mining income so far.

    All software that assumes blocks are valid (because invalid blocks cost miners money) is at risk of showing transactions as confirmed when they really aren't. This particularly affects lightweight (SPV) wallets and software such as old versions of Bitcoin Core which have been downgraded to SPV-level security by the new BIP66 consensus rules.

    The recommended fix, which was attempted, was to get all miners off of SPV mining and back to full validation (at least temporarily). If this happens, Bitcoin.org will reduce its current recommendation of waiting 30 extra confirmations to a lower number.
    Updates

    6 July 04:00: A new fork occurred starting 5 July at 21:30 with three blocks before the valid chain again became the strongest chain. See the recently-added list of forks. Reports that the situation has passed are not correct. Please continue to wait 30 more confirmations than you usually would wait before accepting a transaction.
     
  12. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    Welp, there's always the market for fake wallets. It's a tried and true money making scheme.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Whatevs, it's unlikely that I'll ever be truly wealthy so might as well be cryptowealthy.

    #allaboardblockchaintrain
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    Not with that attitude!
     
  15. Mr. Clutch

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    Did ganja really leave?
     
  16. B-Bob

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    Interesting coincidence with the invalid blocks, no?

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  17. TheMystery008

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    Peercoin > Bitcoin
     
  18. hlcc

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    I would think the exact opposite would happen. Gold & Silver prices would sky rocket but Bitcoin would plummet. In times of crisis, people tend to flock toward the safest tangible asset. Also to be able to use Bitcoins you'll need power and access to almost uninterrupted internet access, I doubt this is something people would want to count on in times of a global economic collapse.
     
  19. tallanvor

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    bitcoin is your safest asset (untouchable/uncontrollable by anyone) and a 'tangible asset' would not be safe (it can be physically stolen).
     
  20. Northside Storm

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    Reading this thread, I've determined that the mainstream view on bitcoin and the blockchain splits into two camps--

    1) Let's quibble about every minor technical hiccup and price fluctuation and ridicule a new technology that is gradually being assimilated into financial infrastructure, comprises a core team of some of the best and brightest cryptographers in the world, and which is already playing a role as a programmable authentication/payment layer that will fundamentally reshape 1) machine-to-machine communication 2) user authentication 3) smart contracts beyond its central role in trustless financial infrastructure.

    2) Bitcoin is the most anonymous (it is pseudonymous at best, and at that, it still requires work to get there), most secure (depends on how you are transacting with BTC, especially with exchanges--in aggregate the blockchain is secure, but that doesn't mean that you as an individual in the chain are invulnerable), most bulletproof to downwards speculation/Great Depression v2.0 (in fact, Satoshi designed the system for rampant early speculation and was explicit about this in his whitepaper--BTC is not meant to be a perfect safe haven) and bestest currency ever.

    There's a middle ground somewhere in there.
     

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