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Gov. Haley listed her race as white

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. MojoMan

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    The idea that we are divided into different races based on variances in our skin pigmentation is patently absurd. There is only one race, the human race.
     
  2. Dubious

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    She identifies as white. :grin:

    I think she feels the need to to appeal to her constituency, that could speak more to racism in South Carolina.

    The idea that we have to call ourselves any race in the US is the problem. We are a nation of mutts. It's the mixing of races, the avoidance of "tribalism" and the idea that we are all Americans that gives us cohesiveness, the source of the nation's strength.
    (just listen to Mr. Obama on WTF Podcast... all inspired!)
    http://potus.wtfpod.com/
     
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    It's not ridiculous anthropologically, your disingenuous attempt to trivialize and invalidate the advocacy of groups that were historically, systematically and continually persecuted due to these distinctions is absurd and exhausting. You fail to recognize these people's genealogy was stripped of them at every generation with every purchase or sale, that they were explicitly excluded from citizenship in their land of residence and birth, and thus their racial identity is all that was left to them.
     
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    I don't care.
     
  5. s land balla

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    I enjoyed that episode of Maron's podcast!
     
  6. bnb

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    From the info in the article (from July 2011) it wouldn't. I don't think her drivers license would specify race, so there'd be no discrepancy.

    Might want to check your newsfeed, Langhi. It has a bit of a lag. Hope you're still not waiting for resolution to the Dan Langhi bet.
     
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    Tell that to all the people in the world that harbor racism for people based on the color of the skin and get back to me when they listen.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    The large genetic study you heard about on NPR was the Reich study I mentioned above conducted by Harvard Medical School among others in 2009 as well as a 2011 follow up conducted by some of the same researchers on similar subjects.

    That's why it's the only one you could find reference to when your googling and your half dozen other studies that you've read on this belong in a Brian Williams helicopter ride.
     
  9. Nook

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    My best friend was born in Chicago to Sikh, Indian parents. He drives a jacked up F250 and Cadillac, votes straight ticket Republican, hardcore Catholic and knows more about country music and Confederate Civil War history than anyone should. Big time hunter and carries... Has dated all white or Hispanic girls... and everyone thinks he is white.

    Seems to be fairly common.

    I commend her for the prejudice she has had to overcome to get to where she has.
     
  10. s land balla

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    There is an interesting diaspora in north-central California of 3rd/4th/5th generation Punjabi Mexicans.

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    Valentina Alvarez and Rullia Singh are seen posing for their wedding photo in 1917. They are among the thousands of Punjabi-Mexican couples which sprouted up across the Southwestern United States in lieu of anti-immigration laws.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    What makes it even funnier is as he says there is no such thing as race he is crying about bigotry towards white people in the other thread.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You have to be joking.
     
  13. Commodore

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    the left feels threatened by minority conservatives, and they always engage in nasty racist campaigns to cast them as not authentically ethnic

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“There’s not much Indian left in Bobby Jindal.” <a href="http://t.co/1N3ZPV47El">http://t.co/1N3ZPV47El</a></p>&mdash; Washington Post (@washingtonpost) <a href="https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/613409332399620098">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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  14. Nook

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    I actually agree with you.

    Then again, the Right is often attractive to racists.
     
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    Haley is really a Punjabi? You kidding me? She looks more Mediterranean. But aside from that East "Indians" or not the richest ethnic group in America. Indians have a caste system and many don't do well or fit under any model minority in America. So don't round up South Asians and put them together as one definitive wealthy group because it simply ain't true.
     
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    My best guess to explain this phenomenon is that Punjabi immigrants have a history in North America, particularly on the west coast, dating back longer than any other South Asian ethnic group (late 1800s/early 1900s). This has lead to greater degrees of assimilation within those that have ties to these early settlers. Now keep in mind that people with familial ties to this early community represent a tiny percentage of Punjabi-Americans today.

    Regarding the jacked up F250 and the country music, this can best be explained by the fact that Punjab is the agricultural hub of South Asia, so naturally many of these early Punjabi immigrants took up farming in rural areas of California, Oregon, etc.

    Having said that, Nikki Haley's family isn't part of this early settler community I'm referring to. Her parents moved from India to the US in 1969, just after the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 was passed. Same with Bobby Jindal -- his parents also arrived after the Act was passed, in 1970.
     
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    This simply is not true.
     
  18. MojoMan

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    And of course we can come up with plenty of examples of bigotry towards black people, or Asians, or Jews, for example.

    It does not follow that these people are different "races" though. Sure, "black" people are generally identifiable by their darker colored skin, Asians by their almond shaped eyes, Jews by their horns (just kidding), etc.

    Only a leftist would be so idiotic as to pretend that they do not notice these physical features. Likewise, when a pretty girl with a nice figure comes along, we tend to notice that too. Is it politically incorrect to notice these things? LOL. What difference does it make, as we do notices these things and only a fool will try to pretend otherwise.

    It is the racists that believe in dividing people up into different "races" and treating people differently based on their "race". And bigotry is alive and well in the mind of the bigot, where the targets of the bigots bigotry are labeled and antagonistically defined.
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Race is defined by phenotypical differences amongst groups with a geographic identity across the human species. They do exist because there are grouped superficial differences and that is the definition of race in the context of races.

    To say that acknowledging this is racism is just weird and just some sort of intellectual rationalization to promote the right wing idea that crying about racism is racism in any of itself and "white-washing" away the gross amount of bigotry in this country that is pervasive. Yes, pervasive. It's not just these small and short instances.

    Races exist with our eyes, nothing more. Bigotry exists not because there are different races, but because there are many people who assume that racial differences exist beyond the eyes.
     
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    Even after rejecting the notion that there is a purely biological basis for hard racial categories, it is obvious that the vast majority of people both self-identify and are identified by others as falling into such categories. Accurate or not at the physiological level, this is what happens. And if we refuse to recognize how people are categorized, that prevents us from comprehensively understanding and studying the impact of racist attitudes on society as a whole, and figuring out what measures if any need to be put in place to counter-act it.
     

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