If you go back, the "Black church=racism" meme started the same day or maybe the day after the story broke.
My problem with them is that we're still calling them "black churches" instead of just churches. If there was a "white church" that called itself a white church, what would people think about it? This white church isn't racist, hell they allowed a black person to go to bible study just last week! Wasn't that nice of them? There is something fundamentally wrong when you feel a need to specify what race something is supposed to be for. Again, I know that's going to go over the head of a lot of people here, but it's just the truth. Continuing to have things labeled in that manner carries on the spirit of segregation. Anyway I'm bored with this subject, so this is intended as my last post on the issue.
"black"church "china" town "indian" elephant "persian" carpet ... lol, I can't believe somebody actually thinks that this: Spoiler is the same as this: Spoiler Seems like racist ideology is another inherited trait that people have trouble escaping.
The bigotry displayed by Democrats and the left towards Southern whites over the last few days has been truly breathtaking. Just saying.
First off it is important to the story. Dylann Roof wanted to kill a lot of black people so he went to a place he knew there would be a lot of black people. If the converse had been true and a black guy went to a church where he knew there would be a lot of white people to kill I'm pretty sure it would be referred to as a "white church" or "predominately white church". Just the same as if someone wanted to kill a lot of Koreans and went to a Korean Babtist church. Except again you're ignoring the history of why that is a called a black church. It is called that because blacks weren't allowed to worship at other places. It is the same as why "Chinatowns" are called that. It wasn't just because Chinese in the 19th C. only wanted to live with Chinese. They weren't allowed to live anywhere else. Those names have stuck because out of the racism that confined them to those places and institutions they were able to forge their own history and cultural identity. That doesn't mean that anyone else isn't welcome there. The facts show that black churches are very welcoming to non-blacks. Anyway based on your line of reasoning do you feel there is something fundamentally wrong with "Anglican Churches" because that refers to England or "Roman Catholic" because that only refers to Romans? In both those cases they are specifying only one group of people in the name.
Of course Bobby's bored with this subject. He's argued himself into calling the nine dead black churchgoers "modern day racists". There's really no where to go from there.
It appears you don't understand what is meant when it's called a black church. As we can see there are plenty of places where black people might be allowed to go but aren't really welcome. There are plenty of people who resent black people for calling where they worship "black churches" or having "black history" months or classes at universities. So there are plenty of people and places that resent black Americans highlighting anything about a culture developed by a shared experience in these United States. And that experience without a doubt includes prejudice from white Americans. So to have a church that's called a black church doesn't exclude white folks, it simply states that black people will be welcomed and they don't have to conform to a culture different than what might be experienced in black communities and families. Pretty much every single church that isn't in Korean, Spanish, Chinese, or Black church is a white church, so it would be redundant to call a church a white church because almost all of them are. If you are upset that whites still discriminate and can't accept blacks celebrating their culture making the need for a designation of "black church" I understand that. It's too bad that it's still like that in this nation. If you just resent that black people are allowed to have a black church without it being racist, but whites can't have a white church without it being racist, then it seems like you don't understand or appreciate the history or even the current conditions of race relations in this nation.
At least it wasn't literally breathtaking like Dylann Roof's bigotry was. This argument over "black churches" is truly ignorant and disrespectful, especially given how welcoming those 9 people were to their eventual murderer.
Congratulations you found a map with a wildly unpopular Southern Democrat versus a very popular Republican at a time of economic recession and foreign policy disaster.
They have opportunities but they don't have the same opportunities as white people have. That's been shown in school misidentification of black students as needing special ed, and under identification of black students as being gifted. It's been shown in black and white people with the same resume's having far different employment. It's been shown that black people arrested for the same crime as white people getting much harsher sentencing. So while certainly there are opportunities for everyone in this nation, those opportunities aren't equal. And certainly anyone would be angry at being denied equal opportunity simply because of how they were born.
A Southern white guy shoots 9 black people and specifically says he did so because of racism. Yet Southern whites are the ones being victimized.
Until politicians in the South stop this Us vs. Them attitude, the victim mentality thing won't go away. In fact, the whole reason why there is so much support in the South for the flag is largely out of spite. The flag was hardly a thing and certainly wasn't paraded everywhere until desegregation was mandated. I was just in Mississippi last weekend and it more or less reinforced my view of this. On the one hand, some of it is understandable. The Civil War largely bankrupted the South and Reconstruction largely consisted of Northern politicians and immigrants from the North, essentially buying up land and property at below market value from bankrupt Southerners or in some cases just outright stealing it. The South never recovered economically from this. My fiance's family had a farm before the Civil War that Gen. Sherman burned to the ground on his march to Savannah. That war flat out bankrupted an entire region of the country and to this date, we've never quite come to grips with that fact. You can argue that was 150 years ago but the impact is still the same. The great cotton farms in Mississippi around my fiance's family farm never grew cotton again. They didn't have the money to ever restart. It was permanent wealth destruction. Ultimately Southern politicians and the white community in the South will have to come to peace with this reality. The Antebellum era of Southern wealth is gone and the only way to get it back is to stop blaming everyone else for your poverty and to start investing in the basics like education, health care etc.. and do so for every community. In states like Mississippi, black and white communities are still heavily segregated to the point where its almost like two separate states. And while Mississippi as a whole is rather poor, the African American areas still tend to have poorer services. The flag itself means very little but its a manifestation of a much larger problem. I would only hope that those who aren't from the Deep South can understand the backstory behind this seemingly never ending victim mentality. There's a good reason for it and we should all do ourselves a favor and understand why.
White people force black people to worship in their own churches or sit in rafters of "white churches." White people force black people to worship under the observance of a white overseer. White people force black people to live together in same communities. Black people respond by adopting their own (largely) cultural interpretation of the church experience. Many years go by and these unique churches that were created still exist and are thriving. They welcome people of all colors but exist in predominantly black neighborhoods and still worship in the manner that has developed amongst the black population. These churches are referred to as "black churches" to represent the unique entities that they are. Black people are the racists in this story. LOL
Wait a minute wait a minute. This is gold. Black people need to get over their victim mentality and let go of slavery and Jim Crow that happened SO LONG AGO, but white people are still struggling to let go of the fact that the cotton farms that they turned a profit with on slave labor never recovered. Jiminy Crickets!
Yeah, I have not been following the discussion about "black churches." Of course there are many churches with predominately black congregations, but I do not understand why that needs to be discussed or argued about right now. It is not a conversation that resonates with me. As far as what appears to be your moral equivalency argument, that is outrageous. So the bigotry displayed by a great many Democrats and leftists over the last few days towards Southern white people is OK because Dylann Roof's bigotry was as bad or worse? Wow. It pretty clearly sounds like you are defending these people and offering excuses for their bigoted conduct.
yet, strangely, from my concert experience, observation of the Black Sabbath seems to be a predominately white phenomena.
