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Man kills 9 people at black church

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  1. JayGoogle

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    So.

    Who do you blame more? Honest question.

    Trayvon Martin/Obama OR Council of Conservative Citizens?

    Because it seems to me the latter is MORE responsible no? It was them that turned the Trayvon Martin thing and twist it into Black on White crime.

     
  2. mc mark

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    Don't sweat it Jay. texxx is the biggest race hustler on the board. Just take a look at some of his award winning thread titles.
     
  3. TheRealist137

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    You'll never get an honest answer from texxx on this question. Dude spent almost a week in hiding crafting an agenda in order to make this case an indictment against Obama, Liberals, and minorities. His true colors are being shown.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    It's both really. The way things like the Martin case, the Brown case, and so on in the media and by the president have caused a polarizing effect on people....especially those who are really stupid.

    Some of those stupid people have been influenced to create mobs that have looted and vandalized towns, some like this stupid kid it has turned to extreme racism that led to murder. Two sides of the same coin, stupid people radicalized by polarizing events.

    Without the ridiculous reaction by the president and the media to the Martin case, it probably doesn't get blown up quite as big as it did and this kid might never have become an extremist.....meaning those people are never murdered. Irresponsible comments by the president and irresponsible coverage by the media has consequences, this nutjob was just one of those consequences.
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Apparently, the CCC is not just a kinder gentler version of the KKK.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    Yes, the truly stupid people actually believe that it is Obama who is fanning racial flames.
     
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    I blame the Republicans for this shyte.
     
  8. CometsWin

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    According to bigotexxx, Obama is responsible for a black guy murdering two cops and he's also responsible for a white guy murdering nine black people. Bigotexxx likes to have it every which way as long as he can blame the black guy.
     
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  9. justtxyank

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    The cause and effect blame being used here is ridiculous.

    The kid looked up Trayvon Martin because he heard about him in the news.

    Are you therefore telling me that if a person hears the President/media tell a story about someone named Angela and a random person googles the name and ends up on a website somehow that advocates rape and then they go out and rape someone that the President/media is to blame?

    Good grief this is stupid. He didn't hate black people because of the President or the media. He got on the internet and started researching because of it and ended up on a hateful website that led him to believe that black people are terrorizing white people in America and no one is doing anything about it.
     
  10. bigtexxx

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    Wrong.

    Obama did play a part in both, through his lack of leadership and irresponsible comments around the Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown incidents.

    (and stop using the Jim Crow era racist "one drop rule"...Obama is bi-racial)
     
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    Why did he hear about it in the news? In the end the Martin case was just a case of self defense....it was irresponsibly blown up by the media who smelled a race case they could exploit.....then the president fanned flames even more by saying that if he had a son, he'd be a lot like the attacker in the case....

    As a result, the kid looked into it further and got upset about the unfair coverage the case was getting which led to him being radicalized.

    If a 14 year old girl is kicked out of her house by her father and ends up meeting up on the streets with a pimp who convinces her to start having sex for money to get by....who's fault is it? The father that put her in the situation or the pimp who made her a prostitute? How about both?

    The pimp wouldn't have been able to tell her anything that would have led to her becoming a prostitute if she wasn't on the streets just like the stupid kid probably wouldn't have been enamored with racist propaganda if the polarizing nonsense hadn't put him in a mindset to seek it out. The same mindset behind the looting and vandalism by those sent the other direction by the polarizing coverage of the incidents.
     
  14. JayGoogle

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    Alright so lets say the Media has some blame here for racial polarity.

    I'll say they do. The media is more about selling stories than morality any ways. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News. All of them are responsible for this. Lets say that.

    Still, the CCC has been around since the 1950s. Before Obama, before Trayvon Martin. I don't think that's equal blame here, you have a racist organization that has been around since civil rights era spreading this mess and everyone just decides to ignore it.

    Even when asked about this what is their response to this? That Dylan Roof while wrong, had a point. Seriously, that was basically what they said. Despite 9 black people being killed by a racist, he has a point that black on white crime is out of hand and that it is important to not forget the reason he did this.

    As it was pointed out, the cause and effect of this is wrong. It's being twisted into the reverse. I'm not saying you are doing the twisting btw.

    So when a black person gets killed by a cop it is the media's fault for fanning racial flames and it's not the actual person's fault for doing it. It's the media's fault.

    When 9 black people get killed it's not racist groups like CCC's fault, it's again Obama's/media's fault. Instead of blaming the racists, we are blaming the media and usually turned to just blame black people in the end.

    For Bigtexxxx, he's blaming Obama but it would be cool to see him actually put a large amount of blame on the CCC as well.

    The reason why many black people are not republicans and do not vote for them is because of these simple reasons. If I turned on Fox News or saw a republican candidate rage against this organization and place heavy blame on it instead of sidestepping the issue it would help. Instead a lot of times it always feels the blame is shifted away and eventually always comes down to "It's that black person's fault."

    The real issue here BEYOND media's reaction and Beyond even the shooting is that there are racist groups still in America. Hey, some of them are hispanic racist groups, some of them are black ones, and some of them are white ones. I know, before anyone comes and tells me about them. I know.

    In this case though this was Roof, being a racist by definition and wanting to associate with one of the racist groups in America. I think many would like for others to just say "Yeah, we do have these groups in America and they are a problem that needs to be dealt with." especially when they are calling others to actions.
     
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    OK. So much to cover here and so little time. Exactly, WHAT was so ridiculous about Obama's reaction to what happened to Trayvon Martin? I am really curious because I can GUARANTEE you that EVERY father in my men's group at church had EXACTLY the same reaction. All Obama did was speak an inconvenient truth that all of the so-called white conservatives don't want to acknowledge. And they can do so (by virtue of their whiteness) and "pretend" that Obama speaking honestly was actually worse that a young black kid being stalked, attacked and killed by some ******* who focused on the color of his skin. Please enlighten all of us black fathers who have to raise young men in this F'ed up environment just "irresponsible" speaking the truth public can be.
     
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  16. bigtexxx

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    Of course the CCC deserves blame. I don't know much about this organization, but if it preaching hate due to skin color, that is a major problem.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    The South Carolina House agrees to debate this issue by a vote of 130-10, with the Senate also agreeing to the debate by a voice vote.

    The debate will apparently occur in the weeks to come. So, this process appears to moving along quickly and without appreciable disagreement or impediment, contrary to what the media and the left have been openly and wrongly anticipating:

     
  18. mc mark

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    Awesome!

    Both Amazon and eBay will now pull all merchandise with the confederate flag.

    ebay's spokesman: "This decision is consistent with our long-standing policy that prohibits items that promote or glorify hatred, violence and racial intolerance."
     
  19. edwardc

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    Amen texx did you get all of that.
     
  20. JayGoogle

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