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Man kills 9 people at black church

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mr. 13 in 33, Jun 18, 2015.

  1. SamFisher

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    Everything right is "take it down now" - not equivocate for 4 days and say "not my decision" and then decide after the idea gets critical mass of support.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    Yes, and here is an example of the Democrats using this specific tragedy to "remove the money aspect of politics due to its corrupting force":

    Oh, wait....

    The Democrats are not "removing the money aspect of politics" here, they are exploiting it and capitalizing on it. They are cashing in.

    Seriously, get a grip with the nonsense that the Democrats are against money in politics. It is simply untrue. What the Democrats are against is free speech by their political opponents. Democrats are also against their opponents being able to raise money in amounts that allow them to get their message out and be competitive in elections.

    We can see here the Democrats level of concern for honoring these nine dead innocent people and their true level of aversion to money in politics in their use of this situation to generate financial solicitations for themselves from this tragedy.

    Clearly, what is sacred to the Democrats here is money and power, plain and simple. The same as it ever was.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    While Republicans are taking money from actual white supremacists who advocate race war and who sent Lil' Dylann into action.

    I can live with Democrats using legal tender to try to remove and shame Republicans from embracing racism and racists - and you will too, and you will like it.

    You will thank me for it later.
     
  4. MojoMan

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    Except as you know very well, Republicans candidates inadvertently received a few small donations from these people, which when they were informed about the source, immediately rejected and returned them.

    The Democrats on the other hand, are proactively exploiting this tragedy for their own gain at this very moment. Are they going to return that money? Bwahahahahaha! You know they aren't.

    The point is that the Democrats are not against money in politics, and in fact will stoop to any depth to exploit race and tragedy for their own benefit. We can see who the racists are here, it is the Democrats and the left. If only we could get them to stop.
     
  5. mc mark

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    You let us know when Democrats start sporting the stars and bars in the back window of their pickup.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Except as you very well know, the thousands of dollars that Ted Cruz and others accepted from known white power leaders is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of Republicans and the willful adoption of racist rhetoric and symbolism.

    Let's face it, when you have mainstream Republicans like Rand Paul that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 you're back in the era of firehoses and police dogs.

    And sadly we're still not too far, as your posts show.
     
  7. HillBoy

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    Actually, Gov. Haley saved their (GOP candidates) collective asses by taking the lead in demanding that the Confederate flag be taken down. I found their mealy mouthed responses to be pathetic and embarrassing and it was because these were black people being killed by a white man. Now, if a radicalized black man had walked into a white church and done the same thing, TO A MAN they, along with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News, would have been placing the blame on Pres Obama (while MojoMan would probably blame the Clinton Foundation).
     
  8. bigtexxx

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    Hypocritical. Democrats accept money from the race hustlers like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. These race hustlers' recent work, along with Obama and the liberal media, were responsible for influencing the Charleston Shooter. He was radicalized by the coverage around the Trayvon Martin incident. These race hustlers, including Obama, all have a role in the blame, and all have blood on their hands.
     
  9. HillBoy

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    I am having a hard time trying to figure out if you are just a troll or are really as ignorant as you sound. Here's a news flash for you: The Republicans whom you hold in such high regard have been doing the same thing EVERY time something tragic has occurred. Go back and review their responses to the Sandy Hook massacre which they exploited to raise money from all of the gun nuts out there (Obama's going to take away your GUNS!!!). Both political parties do this - it's a measure of just how far the level of political discourse has sunk in this country.

    Oh and another thing: Stop talking about racism. Your posts clearly show that you haven't the foggiest idea as to what constitutes racist behavior.
     
  10. HillBoy

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    Wow! I haven't heard the term "race hustlers" in quite a while - that really takes me back. As usual you chose to bend the facts to fit your narrative. Roof was radicalized alright but not by these so-called "race hustlers" but rather by the racist articles he found on the Council of Conservative Citizens website (which has been since taken down) which contained article after article about the "black" menace that is sweeping over the country under the leadership of that socialist Muslim in the White House (Bill O'Reilly faints). The "liberal" media had nothing to do with his "conversion".
     
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  11. HillBoy

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    For BigTexx:

    Here's an addendum to my previous post for your edification:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/23/meet-earl-holt-whose-supremacist-site-influenced-alleged-charleston-church-killer-dylann-roof/

    ‘Supremacist’ Earl Holt III and his donations to Republicans
    By Lindsey Bever June 23 at 6:33 AM

    One night in November 2003, a man named Earl Holt reportedly typed his own name into an Internet search engine and got back a blog post calling him a white supremacist.

    At the time, Holt was a high-ranking member in the Council of Conservative Citizens, deemed a “supremacist group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which claims it was the “reincarnation” of the White Citizens’ Councils that fought desegregation during the civil rights movement. Holt also wrote for the group’s racially charged tabloid, Citizens Informer, and co-hosted a radio talk show with the group’s founder, Gordon Baum.

    Still, he reportedly disagreed with the blogger’s claim and, according to the blogger, sent an e-mail in response.

    “Hey Commie,” the note started, “Being the shallow, n—– -loving dilettante that you are, you probably DO consider n—— to be your equal (who am I to question this?). Yet, unlike you and your allies, I have an I.Q. in excess of 130, which grants me the ability to objectively evaluate the Great American Nigro (Africanus Criminalis).”

    The e-mail proceeded to cite statistics claiming that African Americans, despite the U.S. government’s best efforts, were still as “criminal, surly, lazy, violent and stupid as he/she ever was.”

    “Some day, you sanctimonious n—— -lovers will either have to live amongst them (‘nothing cures an enthusiasm for integration like a good dose of n——‘) or else defend yourselves against them,” it stated.

    The blogger, Larry Handlin, who went by Arch Pundit online, posted the e-mail. It was referenced in local news articles and by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Report, which tied Holt to the e-mail using his address and claimed to interview Holt’s radio station about it. Neither Holt nor his spokesman was immediately available for comment.

    More than a decade later, Holt, who now heads the group, is again in the spotlight. Authorities said over the weekend that Charleston mass murder suspect Dylann Roof mentioned Holt’s group in his racist manifesto, saying he learned about “brutal black on white murders” from the group’s Web site. Holt said in a statement that was “not surprising”: “The CofCC is one of perhaps three websites in the world that accurately and honestly report black-on-white violent crime, and in particular, the seemingly endless incidents involving black-on-white murder,” he said.

    “The CofCC is hardly responsible for the actions of this deranged individual merely because he gleaned accurate information from our website,” he added.

    News came Monday that Holt had donated about $65,000 over the years to Republican campaign funds. He gave about $25,000 to Republican candidates in 2012 including former senator Rick Santorum (Pa.) and Sens. Ted Cruz (Tex.) and Rand Paul (Ky.). Most immediately distanced themselves from Holt, saying they were unaware of his affiliation and would return the money.

    But despite Holt’s many donations to Republicans, he seemed none too pleased with the party when the Republican National Committee announced plans in 2013 to increase its minority outreach. “Other than profoundly endanger many canvassers by sending potential victims into increasingly dangerous ‘hoods’ and barrios,” he wrote on the organization’s Web site, “this ridiculous program will achieve nothing beyond perpetuating the RNC’s established practice of squandering and misspending funds donated in good faith by its party faithful.”

    He was also upset, he said, that “the current RNC leadership seem particularly susceptible to what are often opportunistic and mercenary blacks feigning allegiance to GOP principles in order to benefit themselves in some manner.” That’s why, he said, he and his wife, “refuse to contribute to the RNC.”

    He preferred, he said, “to contribute directly to conservative Republican candidates, ONLY, because we do not trust the RNC to spend our money as wisely as we would. Moreover, if it occurs to us to mention it, we also indicate our preference for Tea Party-endorsed candidates, to whom we have been quite generous the last few election cycles.”

    Holt was particularly upset with the nomination of John McCain as the party’s presidential candidate in 2008, calling him “clueless.”

    “I never dreamed,” he wrote, “that even a nation of dolts, gamblers, borrowers and personal injury plaintiffs would elect a phony nigro with three Moslem names and a Marxist agenda, no matter how much nigro voter fraud occurred on Election Day.”

    He didn’t think much of the news media either, which he described as “dominated by Zionists, nigroes, communists, homosexuals, feminists and idiots.”

    Holt, 62, grew up in St. Louis, where he graduated from Washington University, Riverfront Times reported in 2003. He stepped into the public eye in 1989 when he ran for a seat on the St. Louis School Board, joining others who had ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens in the fight against court-ordered busing for school desegregation, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

    Amid a losing battle, Holt stepped down in 1993.

    A spokesman for the council confirmed to St. Louis Public Radio that Holt was on the school board but did not elaborate.

    Aside from a few comments on desegregation, Holt seldom made controversial remarks during his time on the board, according to the radio station. For the next several years, he devoted his time to his late-night radio talk show, called “Right at Night.” He also spent time protesting immigration, among other issues, at small rallies. “Our open border with Mexico has become a conduit for drugs and unskilled workers who take jobs [for less pay] and force incomes to ratchet downward,” he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch at an anti-immigration rally in St. Louis in 2003.

    In 2003, the news came that Holt had spotted the Arch Pundit blog post calling him a white supremacist.

    The e-mail to the writer included Holt’s full name and St. Louis address, which matches public records.

    The next night, the blogger reportedly called radio station WGNU (920 AM) during Holt’s talk show and asked Holt about it, according to the 2003 article from Riverfront Times.

    “Earl got kind of liquored up the other night,” he said, talking about himself, according to the Riverfront Times. “I wrote [Handlin] a really poignant e-mail and I probably used the n-word about maybe 20 times too many. … And I was stupid enough to put my home telephone number on there too. And I dared them to put the letter on the Web page, which they apparently have.

    “I didn’t pull any punches, baby. I guess you could say I called a spade a spade.”

    But over the past few years, other such rhetoric has been attributed to Holt online.

    An Internet user with Holt’s full name — Earl P. Holt III — has posted racist remarks on the news site the Blaze. “The REAL ENEMY is ‘Africanus Criminalis,’ the laziest, stupidest and most criminally-inclined race in the history of the world,” the poster wrote in 2011. The user talked about getting his concealed-carry license so “[white skin privilege] doesn’t get me murdered by those without [white skin privilege]” and warned readers not to be the “kind of person who will be completely baffled when they kill you, rape your entire family, and burn your house to the ground.”

    Jared Taylor, who has been acting as Holt’s media spokesman this week, told the Guardian in an interview: “If there’s a statement that is ‘Earl P Holt III,’ he probably made it.”

    The Council of Conservative Citizens, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, has “evolved into a crudely white supremacist group whose website has run pictures comparing the late pop singer Michael Jackson to an ape and referred to black people as ‘a retrograde species of humanity.'” Its tabloid, the Citizens Informer, regularly runs articles condemning “race mixing.”

    The group’s founder and longtime leader, Baum, died in March. Holt, who now lives in Longview, Tex., took over and now operates the Missouri-based Council of Conservative Citizens from there.

    Lindsey Bever is a national news reporter for The Washington Post. She writes for the Morning Mix news blog. Tweet her: @lindseybever
     
  12. gifford1967

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    li'l t you're white robe is showing. You need to tuck that **** in.
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Wrong. The Trayvon Martin incident strongly influenced Roof. The race hustlers, the liberal media and even Obama are responsible for fanning the racial flames on that. There is simply no disputing that.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    He wanted to beat Zimmerman's body count . .. . . Figure since Zimmerman got off .. . why not
    Right? Cause he got RaceHustlers like you to have his back

    Rocket River
     
  15. edwardc

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    Man there you go with the nonsense again what proof do you have that Democrats or the Potus had to do with this shooter was radicalized by them .
     
  16. edwardc

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    Proof Please.
     
  17. bigtexxx

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    You need to stay current. This has been all over the news.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...martin-case-truly-awakened-me/article/2566702

    "The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case," the essay continues. "I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was."
     
  18. Nook

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    The President didn't "create" any hostility that wasn't already present.

    Honestly, the idea that the President has in any way made race relations worse is comical to me. While I didn't agree with his Gates beer get together; he plays an unbelievably small part in all of this.

    This has more to do with racism, mental illness and an enormous divide between different segments of the USA.
     
  19. edwardc

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    This should have it's own thread.
     
  20. MojoMan

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    Or on their campaign banners?

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