Man kills 9 people at black church

This a joke. Going back to the 1800's.

You should watch the The Sum of All Fears. The islamic terrorists were changed to white supremacists to appeal to Hollywood preconceived notions. fchowd would also love it. nazi symbols and everything.

 

I don't think you understand what anarchism is. Either you are using it just to mean "chaos" which doesn't really make sense in your context or you are using it to describe a political ideology...which doesn't work for you.

 

First of all, I don't agree that its useful to limit the political spectrum to a single line. There are political issues that lie beyond scope of government, or any other single dimension you may wish to focus on.

To your question, maybe we can consider some of the points made in the Left-right politics Wikipedia article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_politics

The historical context:

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However following the Restoration in 1814–1815 political clubs were again formed. The majority ultraroyalists chose to sit on the right. The "constitutionals" sat in the centre while independents sat on the left. The terms extreme right and extreme left, as well as centre-right and centre-left, came to be used to describe the nuances of ideology of different sections of the assembly.[11]
The terms "left" and "right" were not used to refer to political ideology but only to seating in the legislature. After 1848, the main opposing camps were the "democratic socialists" and the "reactionaries" who used red and white flags to identify their party affiliation.[12][/rquoter]

On how the terms Left and Right are commonly understood today:

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There is general agreement that the Left includes: anarchists, anti-capitalists, anti-imperialists, autonomists, communists, democratic-socialists, feminists, greens, left-libertarians, progressives, secularists, socialists, social-democrats and social-liberals.[5][6][7]

There is also general consensus that the Right includes: capitalists, conservatives, fascists, monarchists, nationalists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, reactionaries, right-libertarians, social-authoritarians, theocrats and traditionalists[/rquoter]


Commentary from one sociologist on the meaning:

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The Scottish sociologist Robert M. MacIver noted in The Web of Government (1947)

The right is always the party sector associated with the interests of the upper or dominant classes, the left the sector expressive of the lower economic or social classes, and the centre that of the middle classes. Historically this criterion seems acceptable. The conservative right has defended entrenched prerogatives, privileges and powers; the left has attacked them. The right has been more favorable to the aristocratic position, to the hierarchy of birth or of wealth; the left has fought for the equalization of advantage or of opportunity, for the claims of the less advantaged. Defense and attack have met, under democratic conditions, not in the name of class but in the name of principle; but the opposing principles have broadly corresponded to the interests of the different classes
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This, I think, is in line with how the terms are typically used in today's discourse.

 

then u can't use the term left and right. this is common sense.

this is proving my point. the one dimension here is what political group you identify with. ONE DIMENSION. coincidentally size of government is where republicans and democrats disagree.

what does that even mean 'commonly understood'. by whom?

this is so embarrassingly wrong its absurd. The upper class votes democrat.

 

you forgot fascism. Hitler was not an anarchist, and definitely not a communist.

 

One can use terms so long as people understand what is meant by them. You happen to have a very rigid, limited view of what those terms mean. My understanding of those terms is reflected in the discussion in that Wikipedia article.

I did say, though, that I don't think terms like "left-wing extremist" and "right-wing extremist" is useful. So, if the point is simply that we shouldn't refer to this guy as a right-wing extremist, I'm on board with that.

Not at all. Left and right referred to where they sat in the assembly, historically. And where they sat depended on the political groups they aligned with. How those groups related to each other depended not simply on "size of government". There were people on the "right" for whom size of government was not the real concern, but rather preserving the existing power structures.

Clearly there is a disagreement over the terms, and your contention that it only refers to size of government is not commonly accepted. That's all that matters here.

How do you define "upper class"? That could just mean that a person in this class (however you are defining it) votes in a way that he/she believes benefits the poor. That doesn't contradict what the sociologist said.

And you want to say that democrat is synonymous with left and republican is synonymous with right? OK, we can proceed on that basis, but I believe that undercuts your point that this is only about size of government. Many people affiliate with one party or another for other reasons. As an example, when the Right hail Edward Snowden as a traitor and the Left hail him as a hero, what does that have to do with the Right wanting limited government? Another example: death penalty -- the Right tends to support it and the Left tends to be against it. Why?

 

A right-wing extremist who was also a white supremacist. He was much much more than a racist.

 

Except as events in recent days show things like that are still happening.

Again other than perhaps to be argumentative I don't understand why you are downplaying this threat when 9 people just died from it. I'm not and I don't think Fchowd is saying that Islamic extremism isn't a threat. We are just saying that this is another threat that is also serious.

Do you not think that this is a threat that we should be concerned about?

 

The right wing extremists that killed the cops in vegas placed two flags over the bodies of the cops they killed:

The Gadsen "Don't Tread on Me Flag" and the Nazi Flag.

A lot of left wing extremists are anarchists, and a lot of right wing extremists are authoritarians.

 

That isn't what started this. He said empirically WS is as big a threat. It isn't. If we build a time machine and travel to 1876 then I agree that the KKK is a bigger threat than islamic terror in the USA.

 

The idea that racism is a problem in this country, that there is some sort of movement against blacks would threaten his view that blacks just complain about the past and there really is no problem - proof being we have Obama elected as president.

The idea that southern culture, confederacy crap, and right-wing thinking could lead to this kind of hate attack is just hard to accept. I mean you're equating what feels good and wholesome to Islam. In a way, this reaction shows that these guys view Islam as lesser and is further proof of bias.

 

Maybe it depends on who we're talking about? To the black community, perhaps it is a bigger threat, and to you or me not so much.

 

I disagree that "empirically" white supremicist terrorism is less a problem int he USA than islamic terrorism and

fchowd translate that to "violent racism in this nation is over"

RJ says "We are just saying that this is another threat that is also serious." implying I don't

sweet tard says I don't think racism is a problem.

Congrats guys, you are now arguing against a poster that doesn't exist.

 

You've changed your arguments Casey up to bat. At least you can admit that Right Wing extremism / white supremacists are just as much of a threat as ISIS is to people here.

We know that the later will kill again in the country. We don't know if th former will for sure, but it does appear likely.

 

LOL at all the right wingers backpedaling on their own crazies

 

So this clown was motivated by what he read about the trayvon Martin incident. Who was fanning the flames on that? The leftie media, race hustlers, Ben Crump, even Barack.

 

God I hate being right all the time.