[NY Times] Cardinals under FBI investigation for hacking Astros

rezdawg · Jun 17, 2015

As much fun as it is to fantasize about the Astros getting compensation...it will not happen.

This all has to do with punishing the Cardinals and nothing to do with giving the Astros a prize for being victims.

Im thinking a hefty fine and a year or two worth of draft picks taken away from them.

J.R. · Jun 17, 2015

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Unknown how far-reaching hacks go in Cardinals org, but Astros see it as very serious either way. Could sue <a href="http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2">http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/611210770857078784">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms house in Jupiter area had been looked at, but house in area with no MLB team was as well. <a href="http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2">http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/611210968203313152">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Again, there was more than one breach. Team was alerted to 2014 breach, but found that was not the first time. <a href="http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2">http://t.co/UVhtyNZAB2</a></p>— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/611211181718552576">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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From the start the Astros, have considered the prosecution crucial. The possibility the Astros could sue lies in the background, depending on the FBI’s findings.

“The FBI’s involved, we’ve got MLB security involved and we’re going to prosecute whoever the party that illegally obtained the information,” general manager Jeff Luhnow said June 30.

“The Astros think it’s very serious,” a person familiar with the situation said Wednesday.

If it’s determined that just a rogue employee or two of the Cardinals acted criminally, the question becomes whether the Cardinals failed to supervise those employees properly.

“It could range from anything to going in (to the system) a few times for kicks and posting stuff to embarrass somebody, to downloading their draft board,” one person familiar with the situation said of the potential nature of the crimes.

Likewise, any punishment from MLB that comes down is hard to speculate on until the actual extent of the acts are known.

Assistant U.S. attorney Michael Chu is handling the case.
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panamamyers · Jun 17, 2015

rezdawg said: ↑

As much fun as it is to fantasize about the Astros getting compensation...it will not happen.

This all has to do with punishing the Cardinals and nothing to do with giving the Astros a prize for being victims.

Im thinking a hefty fine and a year or two worth of draft picks taken away from them.
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It's not about getting a prize for being a victim.
It's about monetary compensation for lost net worth or revenue.

Someone stole information from the Astros. Released that information to purposely damage the Astros brand.
Think about the Sony leak. You think Sony hasn't lost brand value over that? You think the person responsible wouldn't be on the hook for millions of dollars in damages?

Major · Jun 17, 2015

panamamyers said: ↑

Someone stole information from the Astros. Released that information to purposely damage the Astros brand.
Think about the Sony leak. You think Sony hasn't lost brand value over that? You think the person responsible wouldn't be on the hook for millions of dollars in damages?
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Except MLB is not the person responsible. The Astros can sue the Cardinals or their employees, but it's not the league's responsibility to compensate the Astros.

Buck Turgidson · Jun 17, 2015

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">in keeping with baseball tradition, a Houston exec should walk into the STL offices and hit their best front office guy with a fastball</p>— Brandon McCarthy (@BMcCarthy32) <a href="https://twitter.com/BMcCarthy32/status/610872801290022912">June 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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kevC · Jun 17, 2015

panamamyers said: ↑

It's not about getting a prize for being a victim.
It's about monetary compensation for lost net worth or revenue.

Someone stole information from the Astros. Released that information to purposely damage the Astros brand.
Think about the Sony leak. You think Sony hasn't lost brand value over that? You think the person responsible wouldn't be on the hook for millions of dollars in damages?
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That's definitely true. But any compensation should strictly be monetary. It's not fair to the rest of the league if the Astros get some sort of competitive advantage on the baseball side out of this. Although I guess you could argue that Astros having more money in itself is competitively advantageous since it's a non-salary capped league but that's always been around.

adoo · Jun 17, 2015

ghettocheeze said: ↑

I don't get it. The Astros are no longer in the same division let alone the same conference. What competitive advantage was there to be gained from this hack?
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the cheaters could leverage the ill-gotten info to

prevent Astro from trading a player to Cardinal's competitors, and vise versa

REEKO_HTOWN · Jun 17, 2015

panamamyers said: ↑

It's not about getting a prize for being a victim.
It's about monetary compensation for lost net worth or revenue.

Someone stole information from the Astros. Released that information to purposely damage the Astros brand.
Think about the Sony leak. You think Sony hasn't lost brand value over that? You think the person responsible wouldn't be on the hook for millions of dollars in damages?
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That's criminal but if you really get convictions of 5 people what's a $50,000,000.00 restitution? It's nothing because there's no way the Cardnials will be hit by this. The employees will personally.

sugrlndkid · Jun 17, 2015

The fact that the FEDS and DOJ got involved suggests that they already have strong evidence implicating St. Louis employees...And would love to see how hard of a punishment MLB is prepared to levy on these tools...

CisBuds4U · Jun 17, 2015

kevC said: ↑

That's definitely true. But any compensation should strictly be monetary. It's not fair to the rest of the league if the Astros get some sort of competitive advantage on the baseball side out of this. Although I guess you could argue that Astros having more money in itself is competitively advantageous since it's a non-salary capped league but that's always been around.
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agree...while the Astros shouldn't and won't be compensated with say more draft picks, the Cardinals could certainly have picks taken away or forced to sit out a draft all together...that would be a pretty effective deterrent--and doesn't hurt the other teams (in a way, everyone moves "up one spot" without STL on the draft board)

J.R. · Jun 17, 2015

cardpire · Jun 17, 2015

Lol...just because he proclaims the allegations don't reflect who they are as an organization doesn't make it so.

tmacfor35 · Jun 17, 2015

J.R. said: ↑

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Not to be disrespectful.......but......

I've heard that before.

desihooper · Jun 17, 2015

Hope they overpaid greatly for that canned response!!

Airdough · Jun 17, 2015

Jim Martin, whoever he is, getting paid. Do law firms have templates and they just fill in the blanks like a Mad Libs?

Bandwagoner · Jun 17, 2015

Rocketman95 said: ↑

Disagree. The Pats made a modification to a ball which was done regardless of opponent. They didn't specifically target the Colts and their internal information regarding players, strategies, etc. and in doing so break federal law in which the Colts were their targeted victim. I'd maybe agree with you if they had hacked into all teams, but the Astros were absolutely the target of this crime and the only ones who have been wronged.

I'd say it's closer to Spygate, but even that's not anywhere close to egregious as this considering actual laws here were broken.
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The hacks cause irreparable harm to the astros. Not only did they jack all the IP, they got a clear understanding of everything the astros (specifically) are thinking.

Not to mention the public embarrassment they decided to cap it off with. As true and funny as this tweet is

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A year ago, Astros were terrible team, botched draft, didn’t protect their servers. Now? Good team, right about Aiken, robbery victims.</p>— David Cameron (@DCameronFG) <a href="https://twitter.com/DCameronFG/status/610838192577712129">June 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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the kick to the balls this caused to the astros was huge. It gave every writer int he country to attack the astros like garbage.

Punishment should be opening up the Cardinals network for other teams and their emails for public scrutiny.

Baseballa · Jun 17, 2015

Bandwagoner said: ↑

The hacks cause irreparable harm to the astros. Not only did they jack all the IP, they got a clear understanding of everything the astros (specifically) are thinking.

Not to mention the public embarrassment they decided to cap it off with. As true and funny as this tweet is

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A year ago, Astros were terrible team, botched draft, didn’t protect their servers. Now? Good team, right about Aiken, robbery victims.</p>— David Cameron (@DCameronFG) <a href="https://twitter.com/DCameronFG/status/610838192577712129">June 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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the kick to the balls this caused to the astros was huge. It gave every writer int he country to attack the astros like garbage.
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Yup. What if David Robertson or Ryan Vogelsong or some big name foreign free agent decided not to sign with the Astros due to their public perception at the time? What if teams at the trade deadline last year refused to answer the phone when Luhnow called due to perceived security issues with the Astros database? I know in the end it's all small grapes, but I'm sure the legal team representing the Astros will bring up all of these scenarios.

J.R. · Jun 17, 2015

Cardinals GM John Mozeliak: 'I knew nothing about this'

St. Louis Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak knew it was coming.

The jokes. The taunts. And, of course, the ridicule.

"It's frustrating,'' Mozeliak told USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday, "and to some degree, a level of embarrassment. Dealing with this is not easy.

"We always have taken a lot of pride to do things right.''

And now, the Cardinals find themselves identified as pioneers of corporate espionage in sports.

"We want to get to the bottom of this,'' Mozeliak said. "We're in the same position as the government, to get to the bottom of it, and we're cooperating with them to do so.''

Certainly, you don't expect to be interviewing Mozeliak on the phone from Minneapolis, only with the condition that club counsel Mike Whittle must be on the telephone, too, from St. Louis.

"Unequivocally,'' Mozeliak said, "I knew nothing about this.''

He just wants answers.

"I don't know the outcome of this, or where it's going to go,'' Mozeliak said, "but our hope is that when everything comes to light, people will realize that it wasn't something that was organizational-wide. It shouldn't be something that takes away from any of the success this organization has had.''

Yet, when Mozeliak was asked if he felt responsible should anyone in his department be found guilty of breaching the Astros' computer system, Whittle interrupted, and said it was a question that Mozeliak should not answer.

The Cardinals also would not answer whether anyone under investigation has been suspended or fired.

"These are serious allegations that don't reflect who we are as an organization,'' Cardinals chairman and CEO Bill DeWitt said in a statement. "We are committed to getting to the bottom of this matter as soon as possible, and if anyone within our organization is determined to be involved in anything inappropriate, they will be held accountable.''

"Our main focus is to be helpful and cooperative with the Justice Department,'' Mozeliak said, "as much as we can.''

Still, Mozeliak believes - with some justification - that the findings of the investigation do nothing to smear the Cardinals' on-field achievements.

"My hope is that it doesn't take away anything from our past accomplishments,'' Mozeliak said, "or even the future accomplishments.''

...

"The alleged conduct has no place in our game,'' Mozeliak said in the joint statement with DeWitt. "We hold ourselves to the highest standards in every facet of our organization. It has been that way forever and is certainly true today.

"We are committed to finding out what happened.

"To the extent we can substantiate that these allegations have merit, we will take appropriate action against anyone involved.''

Still, despite the seriousness of the allegations, there was not a single piece of information allegedly procured from the Astros, Mozeliak said, that could have possibly been used in any of their decisions.

...

Sure, they were aware of the investigation months ago, but were still hoping it would remain quiet.

"I was surprised it came out,'' said Mozeliak, who was overwhelmed by emails and text messages of support. "Not that I would not want it to come out, but the way it did, and the manner it did, did catch us off guard.

"We are responding accordingly.''

The Cardinals have no idea how long the investigation will last, or its findings, but can only hope it doesn't affect the club. It doesn't involve any of the players, so really, they should be immune to it.

"I just hope it's something that's doesn't linger for us,'' Mozeliak said. "This organization has stood for a lot of positive things over the last couple of decades. We do try to do things right, and when something like this happens, you want to try to minimize the effects of this.

"Hopefully we can recover quickly and move on, but the process is still ongoing. Hopefully, time heals.

"We'll see.''
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lawyer: Mozeliak and DeWitt are not going to be targets of hacking investigation, from <a href="https://twitter.com/stltoday">@stltoday</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cardinals?src=hash">#cardinals</a> <a href="https://t.co/4GlB8dh4TN">https://t.co/4GlB8dh4TN</a></p>— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/611292014534094848">June 17, 2015</a></blockquote>
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RockFanFirst · Jun 17, 2015

J.R. said: ↑

[rQUOTEr]Cardinals GM John Mozeliak: 'I knew nothing about this'

St. Louis Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak knew it was coming.

The jokes. The taunts. And, of course, the ridicule.

"It's frustrating,'' Mozeliak told USA TODAY Sports on Wednesday, "and to some degree, a level of embarrassment. Dealing with this is not easy.

"We always have taken a lot of pride to do things right.''

And now, the Cardinals find themselves identified as pioneers of corporate espionage in sports.

"We want to get to the bottom of this,'' Mozeliak said. "We're in the same position as the government, to get to the bottom of it, and we're cooperating with them to do so.''

Certainly, you don't expect to be interviewing Mozeliak on the phone from Minneapolis, only with the condition that club counsel Mike Whittle must be on the telephone, too, from St. Louis.

"Unequivocally,'' Mozeliak said, "I knew nothing about this.''

He just wants answers.

"I don't know the outcome of this, or where it's going to go,'' Mozeliak said, "but our hope is that when everything comes to light, people will realize that it wasn't something that was organizational-wide. It shouldn't be something that takes away from any of the success this organization has had.''

Yet, when Mozeliak was asked if he felt responsible should anyone in his department be found guilty of breaching the Astros' computer system, Whittle interrupted, and said it was a question that Mozeliak should not answer.

The Cardinals also would not answer whether anyone under investigation has been suspended or fired.

"These are serious allegations that don't reflect who we are as an organization,'' Cardinals chairman and CEO Bill DeWitt said in a statement. "We are committed to getting to the bottom of this matter as soon as possible, and if anyone within our organization is determined to be involved in anything inappropriate, they will be held accountable.''

"Our main focus is to be helpful and cooperative with the Justice Department,'' Mozeliak said, "as much as we can.''

Still, Mozeliak believes - with some justification - that the findings of the investigation do nothing to smear the Cardinals' on-field achievements.

"My hope is that it doesn't take away anything from our past accomplishments,'' Mozeliak said, "or even the future accomplishments.''

...

"The alleged conduct has no place in our game,'' Mozeliak said in the joint statement with DeWitt. "We hold ourselves to the highest standards in every facet of our organization. It has been that way forever and is certainly true today.

"We are committed to finding out what happened.

"To the extent we can substantiate that these allegations have merit, we will take appropriate action against anyone involved.''

Still, despite the seriousness of the allegations, there was not a single piece of information allegedly procured from the Astros, Mozeliak said, that could have possibly been used in any of their decisions.

...

Sure, they were aware of the investigation months ago, but were still hoping it would remain quiet.

"I was surprised it came out,'' said Mozeliak, who was overwhelmed by emails and text messages of support. "Not that I would not want it to come out, but the way it did, and the manner it did, did catch us off guard.

"We are responding accordingly.''

The Cardinals have no idea how long the investigation will last, or its findings, but can only hope it doesn't affect the club. It doesn't involve any of the players, so really, they should be immune to it.

"I just hope it's something that's doesn't linger for us,'' Mozeliak said. "This organization has stood for a lot of positive things over the last couple of decades. We do try to do things right, and when something like this happens, you want to try to minimize the effects of this.

"Hopefully we can recover quickly and move on, but the process is still ongoing. Hopefully, time heals.

"We'll see.''[/rQUOTEr]
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Interesting that there is no mention of the Astros in his comments. I guess in some form, that would/could be an admission of guilt. I'd think he'd at least mention the victims in addition to making his team sound like the victims.

Baseballa · Jun 17, 2015

Oh look, the Chronicle still found a way to criticize the Astros during this.

@_ToddStone: Cardinals GM is talking about doing the right thing. But Astros execs aren't talking at all. They didn't do anything wrong. Why the foxhole?

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