Haven't even been keeping up with this thread at all and I could think of a handful of posters this could be talking about.
Actually, yea I think you're right. But I thought it was just cuz we would go hard after him. He was kind of vague on all of it. Either way, I'm sold on cyber, just hoping for a good addition this offseason
"Matt Barnes is an experienced veteran who knows the NBA." - Rich Cho Everyone could use one of those players! Yeah, I don't really want him either but if I didn't ask, someone would have. : )
How much he will sign for tho? I think more than the vet min. I would hate for him to join the Rockets becoz hes one of my most "hated" players. But if its vet min it makes sense.
Haven't heard much on point guards since the trade deadline. Did hear a tidbit about Jarrett Jack. And I think we have legit interest there because his contract and game fit us. Interest in Llull is legit although everybody should know that already. And if he signs here he could very well be the starter. We may have to promise him that gig to get him. And contrary to all the poeple who don't think he's starting material next to Harden..he is. So, as as far as Rockets interest in point guards besides drafting Tyus that's about all I've really heard, Jack and Llull. Doesn't mean they aren't interested in other point guards. I just haven't heard anything besides those two. (ASIDE: In my opinion the Llull negotiations are going to be a quick take-it or leave-it proposition. I think Morey gets a meeting with him and either leaves with his signature or moves on. Morey can't afford to tie up all summer waiting for Llull to accept our offer and leave our PG cupboard bare. And the other thing is if Morey can get him to agree early then Morey does have the option to drop below the cap and sign Llull with cap space instead of burning the MLE. That would leave him with the Room MLE to use later in the season and also would allow him to structure Llull's deal with maximum salary cap benefit by having a decreasing Ariza-style contract.) The most rumors I've heard involve Durant. You can bet your last dollar we are leaving the door open for Durant to walk here next summer. And that's going to hold up a lot of other potential deals because JUST IN CASE Durant lets OKC know he's leaving at the deadline then we've got to have assets piled up to trade for him. We don't want to risk him being traded to Washington for instance and then Washington having his Birds rights and him having to walk away from them to come here. If he gets traded to Washington and gets to make a playoff run with them next season alongside Wall/Beal...he's most likely to re-sign there. I had proposed some Ariza trades a few weeks back. Heard there was the possibility that we could clear him out and sign LaMarcus or Love. But that has since cooled off and it appears that we aren't going that direction at all. =========================================== Outside of the Rockets the most rumors I've heard involve Minnesota. Their interest in moving Rubio out is real. Flip would ideally like to acquire BOTH Karl Townes and DeAngelo Russell(or possibly Mudiay) to team up with Wiggins and have those guys playing together for at least the next 7-8 years. Flip loves both KAT and Russell and is very torn about picking one. He'd love to trade Rubio and other assets to be able to acquire both players. And that makes a lot of sense for Minnesota. They can sign a rim protector for the next 2-4 years and then when these guys are fixing to hit restricted free agency and are ready to really go somewhere then Flip can start selling his cap space to a plethora of young bigs hitting the free agent market. Flip is considering a myriad of possibilities and has put out a lot of feelers to see what Rubio's trade value is. Even considering other combinations such as Wiggins/Russell/Kaminsky or Wiggins/Russell/WCS or Townes/Mudiay/Wiggins, etc. in lieu of keeping Rubio. So, I'm of the opinion that Rubio could get moved on draft day if the right deal presents itself that Flip is willing to do and depending on how Flip finally falls out regarding Russell/Towns. But I haven't heard anything since the deadline connecting Rubio to the Rockets. Just a lot of stuff coming from a source I communicate with regularly that says Flip WILL definitely move out Rubio if he gets a good enough pick in this draft to get the third guy he wants to go with Wiggins and this year's #1. (I think our window of opportunity may have passed with Rubio since he's signed a long-term extension. But I know Morey still likes him a lot.) Have heard zero to connect Ty Lawson to the Rockets. (And I'm convinced Morey isn't interested in Lawson unless he comes with other assets.) Did hear a tidbit about Chandler/Foye possibly drawing Morey's interest if the price is right. ============================================= I'm pretty sure our plan is to take Jones at #18 and if he's not there we may possibly flip the pick for a future pick and skip this draft altogether. Don't be surprised if we flip non-guaranteeds for larger expirings or non-guaranteeds and pick up some other asset with them.
Who would give a top10 pick for rubio? Cant see anyone. Perhaps jazz will give them #12 and there they can get payne.
Wait, so we are interested in Jarrett Jack, as he is a "good fit". Yet Ty Lawson is not? Is this the same Jarrett Jack who shot worse than Josh Smith from three last season? The same Jack that could not hit the side of a barn from three last season? Seems legit.
Not that i believe necessarilly bbholics sources but jj is much cheaper and avqilable whereas ty lawson will need too many assets to get and will impact next years cap space. The nugs are looking for a top10 pick and dont want a pf. Unless they smh find a sucker to trade faried to they will have no interest in jones or dmo.
Hmm.... Do you think if Aldridge met with us and really wanted to be here that Morey wouldn't pull the trigger?
No I agree with Your take. Jack is on a good contract and is an exceptional player. He can run the offense, good ball handler in the pick and roll etc. reasonable shooter as well. I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of his post.
I find it really hard to believe that Presti trades Durant here, unless Durant refuses to re-sign with any other team.
Rockets dont have the capspace to outright sign lma. So either he will have to be hypnotised into taking a vet min for a year , the rockets will have to clear cap by dumping ariza for future picks or portland will have to cooperate in a s+t. In any case the team will have to be gutted. Possibly no picks no dmo and no ariza.
That is a very very interesting question. Would Morey tear apart a roster that won 56 games despite losing 230 roster games due to injury? Would Morey seriously mess with a team that made it to the WCF despite having two starters miss the entire playoffs due to injury? Would Morey really sign long term a 30 year old PF who might be on the downside of his career to a four year max contract? Could Morey even free up the $18M necessary to pull off such a maneuver? I honestly have no clue.
Depending on who's on the board at #6, I can see Sacramento doing it. Send out Jason Thompson's contract, #6 and another salary for Rubio. I can also see the possibility of the Knicks trading down, picking up other assets, and then trading a lower pick in the top 10 for Rubio. PJax has Melo to think about. He's trying to build a quick winner. I can see the possibility of Indiana trading #11 and a contract for Rubio. In that case I don't know if Flip would prefer Russell/Kaminsky next to Wiggins or Rubio/KAT next to Wiggins. Also with Indy would be the possibility of Wiggins/Townes/Payne being Flip's base for the next 6-8 seasons. Celtics may be willing to trade #16, plus another pick to move up to a top 10 pick, then trade that pick plus a guy like Avery Bradley for Rubio. Russell/Bradley/Wiggins/Dieng/Kaminsky????? And then there's the Rockets. #18, Capela to move up to top 10 then send non-guaranteeds plus top 10 pick for Rubio?????? Now....I haven't heard this. But you're asking for possibilities. The problem Flip faces with Rubio is Rubio is now on a large money contract (which decreases his trade value) and the clock is ticking on Rubio as his trade value continues to seep as his contract goes on and as the league continues to fill up with quality point guards. Flip knows Rubio is a decaying trade asset. So, he's either got to move him for what he can get and commit to a young core that he can keep together for 6-8 years with cap space to go sign another great player whenever he gets to the point of competing, and with another probably high lottery pick locked in for next season with Rubio gone and the kids playing. Make no mistake I still love Rubio and would still like to acquire him. I think he'd light this team up big time. Just my opinion. Especially playing alongside Harden and Ariza. Our defense would be plum nasty and there's no better run and gun playmaker in the league than Rubio, which is the way we want to play. But I just don't think the advantages to trading for him are there like they were a year ago now that he has signed a long-term deal and now that we can't synergize a trade for him with other incoming salary. However...I think the odds are higher than they've ever been that Rubio gets traded this summer, maybe as soon as draft night.
Hes not that good. But interestingly with all the talk about brolo to the bucks i ventured into the nets forums. Turns out many of their fans want jack to be dumped and let brolo and young leave so they will have capspace next year when joe johnson expires. However billy king isnt likely to do that just yet. And there is a shadow russian gm behind him who makes all the decisions and takes orders from proky. Now the team is about to be sold so who knows what happens. Maybe he looks to leave the repeater tax and dumps all he can.
As far as what bbholic posted, Rubio's poison pill precludes a draft-night trade. Now, maaaaaybe a deal gets announced on draft night, and actually occurs after July 1st. And I doubt we'll sit out this draft. We need reinforcements, future cap space for Durant be damned. You can always trade a dude on his rookie deal later.
Phil doesnt want to take mudiay becoz of the fit to the triangle. Well rubio is an even worse fit. He would be better off trading for lawson and #7. Hes not trying to fit the system to the players but the players to the system. Also one of indys problems is that they have only one rookie contract dont have capspace (since hibbert is almost guaranteed to opt in) and they dont hqve ANY contracts to send back that they want. Now sacramento would be completely idiotic to trade #6 that can be mudiay hejonza or wcs for rubio. Plus the fit with gay and boogie would be bad. They need shooters not rubio. However they are a historically idiot fo sso who knows.Divac has yet to prove himself. As for the celtics they have smart
