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Police Crash a Pool Party

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  1. Bobbythegreat

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    Whatever man, I can lead you to water but I can't make you drink. Feel free to think whatever you want to, it doesn't really matter.

    Racists always think everything is race related....
     
  2. HillBoy

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    No, actually it's the other way around. Racists always pretend that none of their actions toward minorities have racial implications even when said actions are caught on video like say at pool party in West McKinney. It reinforces that warm feeling of smug superiority that gives them comfort thoughout the day.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Again, reverse the races of the officer and the kids, do we assume his actions are racially motivated? Of course not. People like you are judging the officer by the color of his skin.....which is racist, but hey, you be you.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Sigh... Making this incident a racial issue is just allowing the deranged officer's supporters more ammo.
     
  5. CometsWin

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    It's called context and history but you're a dumbass so hey, you be you.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    Ah is that how you justify racial stereotypes now?
     
  7. MojoMan

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    So in your opinion arrests and detentions should be done based on a quota, and not on who is perceived as a threat?

    Keep in mind, almost everyone including Bobby and I have said repeatedly that this cop was out of control, so hopefully we do not have to rehash all that again.

    But if it was a large group of almost entirely black people that violated the HRA rules and that were not cooperating with the police - like that young girl clearly wasn't - then it should be those black people that are the apparent source of the problem that should get the attention from the police.

    This quota perspective of yours it what is actually racist here. Seriously, get a grip.
     
  8. CometsWin

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    The history of white cops beating the **** out of and killing unarmed minorities is a fact, it's not a stereotype. That one white cop out of many acted like a crazy person and ignored all of the white kids is a fact that provides context, not a stereotype. Like I said though you're a dumbass.
     
  9. HillBoy

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    Not at all, I'm judging him strictly by his actions and what I know about that area of DFW. He went after the black kids because he, like all the others defending him (including Uncle Ruckus), felt, no KNEW, that blacks had no business being in Craig's Ranch (despite the fact that some of actually lived there - he must have missed that memo about the Open Housing Act). As I said before, I'll believe your point of view when I see video of a white cop slamming a 14 year old blond, blue-eyed white girl to the ground and pulling his gun on other white youths standing by while blissfully ignoring the black youths all around him. That'll be the day...

    As for what's racist, you, my friend, don't have any clue whatsoever what constitutes racism or bigotry because you have no frame of reference outside Rush Limbaugh's BS, the tea party's propaganda or Fox News. It's not your fault, really. You have no context with which to feel empathy for those people who don't look like you because you have no frame of reference. You didn't grow up watching whites call your father "boy" and "n****r" to his face. You didn't grew up having only one movie theater that allowed access to black people (actually there were two: The Lincoln downtown and the Chocolate Bayou drive-in in Sunnyside). You weren't forced to go to one of the nine high schools reserved for black students even though a white HS was closer. And you certainly didn't live through the bad old days of the HPD when cops would grab black folks off the streets and drive them to secluded areas and beat confessions out of them. Oh, and let's not forget that standard HPD practice of dropping a throw-down weapon to justify shooting said folks. No, it's so much easier to sit here and pontificate on attitudes and beliefs about which you have no understanding. It's the American Way...
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    So if it was a black officer and predominately white children, you'd be saying that it was racially motivated? Please. Your entire opinion of the incident is dependent on the race of the officer and the race of the children....which is sad, but not surprising.
     
  11. HillBoy

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    Meh, I've been called worse things when surrounded by members of the Klu Klux Klan. Here's a nice article for your edification: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/troubled-waters-in-mckinney-texas/395150/
     
  12. Faust

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    the officers who did the right thing in the video need to get bonuses to incentivize there professional behavior. put them in the spotlight for once instead of focusing all attention on the one dbag making everyone look bad. good behavior shouldn't be anoymous
     
  13. DAROckets

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    Not trying to make excuses for this jackass but my guess is the report came over the radio describing the alleged trouble makers as black teens ,this is probably why his attention was directed where it was ... or does that just make too much sense ? Anyway not sure why this is still a story
     
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    The all committed the same "crime" and yet only the blacks got detained. How do you justify that?

    You say only the blacks were not cooperating? In what way? There were numerous white people just hanging around WITH them. Why were only the blacks and minorities detained or confronted? Why not any of the whites?

    By the way, the girl he threw to the ground had a pool pass and had been coming to the pool for years. Her crime was being black.
     
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  15. MojoMan

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    It is you that has used the term "only," not me. And you do not know that "only" blacks were detained or confronted. That is wild conjecture on your part.

    Of course what we mean by "detained" in this setting is being asked to sit down in the grass until they can be questioned and sent on their way, as only one person was arrested, last I heard.
     
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    I don't disagree with the larger view of the article. I don't know that anyone can argue that the wealthy or upper middle class want to separate from the poor and in many cases minorities (although it gets difficult to say how much of it is poverty and how much of it is race). I don't see why anyone is surprised that people that live in an affluent area do not want Section 8 housing close to them. This is certainly not unique to the South. One of my homes is in an area outside Chicago where the median family income is $180,000 and the area has stopped all efforts to prevent Section 8 housing, those fighting the call for Section 8 housing includes minorities, black property owners and just about every other background, but they share one thing in common.... they are wealthy and do not want "those people" living by them, and the perceived loss in property values and potential associated crime.

    The whole issue becomes complicated. No, you cannot put up a sign saying "No black, white trash or poor people.... K thanks!" anymore, but there are still ways around it, through private property and home owner rights, influence in local politics and the like.

    Class divide, racial divide and social divide all are alive and well in America. While the rules have changed, the general attitudes remain. Wealthy people want to separate themselves, and in some instances I can understand that. When Section 8 housing increased in some of the suburbs, the amount of crime did increase. However, sometimes you have to look at the situation from a macro level and decide the best way to limit inequality is to have Section 8 housing and other forced or at a minimum allowed mingling of different financial and ethnic background.

    Well unless you are Chicago, then you just throw all the poor black people in one side of town, let them kill each other and act like it doesn't exist. "They" live over there, they are not close to where "we" live, over here it is safe. Yeah, some 6 year old was shot in the face going to school, and the public high school doesn't have a lunch room or gym, but it doesn't matter.... they aren't going to graduate anyway.... right?
     
  17. rage

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    I agree with this.
    I do have a problem with the "so called" good cops. There were a dozen of them why didn't one intervene and try to cool this rogue cop down?
     
  18. HillBoy

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    Watch the video again. Super Cop screams at and goes after only black kids. He passes the white ones as if they are invisible (which is what the kid who took the video said). Like I told Bobby, it was obvious to me what happened the instant I saw that video. I know that area, McKinney, quite well given its history. The good white folks in Craigs Ranch freaked out when they saw all of those black teens trying to get into their community pool (where they didn't belong) so they call MPD and said that the black kids were causing a "disturbance". BOOM! MPD rushes 12 patrol cars to Craigs Ranch (I mean c'mon 12?). Chaos ensues and it would have been another blip on the local news had not that young man took that video and put it up on social media. But as far as those folks in West McKinney are concerned, the message has been delivered "Your black a**es are not welcome here. Stay over on your side of I-75."

    What's been missed in this discussion here is the reaction of the local ministers. McKinney is Republican red and as conservative as they come. Usually, ministers will call for peace and understanding. They will ask the community to come together. Those guys were livid and immediately demanded that Super Cop be fired in their meeting with the mayor. It was a racially diverse group of ministers including one minister who actually lived in Craigs Ranch. From my experience, when the ministers get mad, then something serious has gone down.
     
  19. CometsWin

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    Well this took a turn.

    Woman Involved in Starting McKinney Pool Fight Placed on Administrative Leave by CoreLogic Inc.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...aced-on-Administrative-Leave-by-CoreLogic-Inc

    While the primary focus of the incident in McKinney, TX has been calling for the termination of now resigned Corporal Eric Casebolt, Twitter launched an impromptu campaign to identify the two women confirmed to have made racist comments that led to the fight and the police being called in the first place. The video begins with an adult white woman and what appears to be a much younger African American girl locked in a fight, with each holding the others hair attempting to throw punches. A group of black teens initially act as observers but eventually try to separate the two. Another woman, now known as Tracey-Carver Allbritton, at first seems to be trying to break up the fight, but quickly decides to start throwing punches to the top of the younger girls head. After a few seconds the fight is broken up and both parties go their separate ways.

    That video led activists on Twitter to ask who were the two women and why hadn't they been arrested, or at least questioned for their role in the fight. At this point they seemed to have slipped under the radar. It didn't take long for that video to be matched up with a Facebook profile linking Ms. Allbritton directly to the incident, and to her apparent employer listed on the account, Bank of America.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/bankofamerica">@bankofamerica</a> Is this your employee Tracey Carver-Allbritton attacking a child &amp; using racial slurs?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/McKinneyPolice?src=hash">#McKinneyPolice</a> <a href="http://t.co/VUTNFBJ1XU">pic.twitter.com/VUTNFBJ1XU</a></p>&mdash; DallasforChange (@DallasforChange) <a href="https://twitter.com/DallasforChange/status/608022847882002432">June 8, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    The tweet sent by Dallas Communities Organizing for Change, an organization who fights for racial justice and police reform, spread like wild fire and eventually forced the banking behomoth Bank of America to conduct an investigation of its own to determine whether or not Ms. Allbritton actually did work for her. Contrary to what is listed on her Facebook profile, Bank of America released a statement online confirming that in fact she didn't work for them, but that she did work for one of their vendors.

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We've concluded our investigation and the woman identified is not a Bank of America employee but works with a vendor company (1/2)</p>&mdash; Bank of America (@BofA_News) <a href="https://twitter.com/BofA_News/status/608395596928569344">June 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    That vendor company is CoreLogic Inc, a major financial data and analytics firm closely aligned with Bank of America. CoreLogic has been providing various financial and home loan services to Bank of America since at least 2011, which is around the time the U.S. Department of Justice settled a $335 million suit for racially discriminating against African Americans and Latinos in home mortgage lending. While CoreLogic Inc. seems not to be directly responsible for the decision on whether or not to issue home mortgage loans or other financial products to individuals, they provide a comprehensive lender profile and all necessary information needed to make the decision. This includes providing services such as credit profiles, credit reports, home mortgage default services, and analytics on multifamily leasing among others.

    According to a statement given to the Dallas Morning News, “CoreLogic does not condone violence, discrimination or harassment and takes conduct that is inconsistent with our values and expectations very seriously. As a result of these pending allegations, we have placed the employee in question on administrative leave while further investigations take place." Several calls to confirm if this was actually the case have yet to be answered by CoreLogic Inc.

    This is seen as preliminary good news by some, but the question still remains as to what her role exactly is with the financial data firm, whether or not she has direct decision making authority over the issuance of loans, and if so, how many African Americans and Latino's may have been denied based on her personal racial bias.

    Disclosure: In 2010, I helped co-found Dallas Communities Organizing for Change and run the @DallasforChange twitter account.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    So interesting when people speak their minds.


    Frenship ISD teacher apologizes after McKinney-related segregation post
    http://lubbockonline.com/education/...ckinney-related-segregation-post#.VXoESM9Vikr

    A Frenship teacher said she apologized after writing a Facebook post saying she was “almost to the point” of wanting segregation regarding a racially charged police issue in McKinney.

    Karen Fitzgibbons, a teacher at Bennett Elementary School, told A-J Media she deleted the post Wednesday evening — a day after writing the publicly viewable post on her Facebook page.

    Asked about the post, a Frenship ISD spokesman said such matters are “taken very seriously.”

    Fitzgibbons started the post by saying a McKinney police officer’s resignation after a dispute at a swimming pool made her angry and that the officer should not have to resign.

    “I’m going to just go ahead and say it ... the blacks are the ones causing the problems and this ‘racial tension.’ I guess that’s what happens when you flunk out of school and have no education. I’m sure their parents are just as guilty for not knowing what their kids were doing; or knew it and didn’t care. I’m almost to the point of wanting them all segregated on one side of town so they can hurt each other and leave the innocent people alone. Maybe the 50s and 60s were really on to something. Now, let the bashing of my true and honest opinion begin....GO! #imnotracist #imsickofthemcausingtrouble #itwasatagedcommunity,” the Facebook post stated.

    Fitzgibbons insisted the post “was not directed at any one person or group.”

    “It was not an educational post; it was a personal experience post,” Fitzgibbons said, adding she has a personal connection to the McKinney situation, but declined to elaborate.

    She added: “I apologized to the appropriate people,” declining to identify those people.

    With the post deleted and her apology made, the teacher said she hopes the issue is resolved.

    Asked if she’d been in contact with Frenship ISD officials regarding the post, Fitzgibbons declined to comment.

    Presented with the post, Andy Penney, director of public relations and information at Frenship Independent School District, said in an email all FISD employees are subject to local policies defining employee standards of conduct and electronic media practices.

    Frenship’s policy states that employees will be held to the same professional standards in their public use of electronic media as they are for any other public conduct. The policy specifically mentions social networking sites Facebook, MySpace, Twitter and LinkedIn.

    “If an employee’s use of electronic media interferes with the employee’s ability to effectively perform his or her job duties, the employee is subject to disciplinary action, up to and including termination of employment,” the policy states.

    Late Wednesday, Penney briefly commented on the situation.

    “Matters such as this are taken very seriously regarding our employees’ social media use,” he said. “That’s the whole reason we have policies and procedures in place.”

    He confirmed Fitzgibbons remained a fourth-grade teacher at the elementary as of Wednesday but declined to comment further on her status or possible action by the district, citing personnel issues.

    Frenship board President Brad Draper did not return a call requesting comment early Wednesday evening.

    Fitzgibbons’ FISD profile page states she has worked 20 years in education, including 16 for Frenship.



    FIRED! Texas teacher let go after saying McKinney pool party ‘almost’ shows need for racial segregation

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/fir...rty-almost-shows-need-for-racial-segregation/

    According to local station KCBD, the district sent this statement out in response:

    On Wednesday afternoon, Frenship Independent School District was made aware of a statement posted on a Facebook page by a Frenship ISD employee earlier this week.

    Frenship ISD is deeply disappointed in the thoughtlessness conveyed by this employee’s post. We find these statements to be extremely offensive, insensitive, and disrespectful to our Frenship community and citizens everywhere. These comments in no way represent the educational environment we have created for our students.

    The employee whose account is responsible for the post will be relieved of her teaching duties at Frenship ISD.

    We hold our employees responsible for their public conduct even when they are not on active duty as district employees. Employees are held to the same professional standards in their public use of electronic media as they are for any other public conduct. This recent conduct was unacceptable.

    Frenship ISD hopes communities, parents and students understand that these remarks do not reflect the views of our district, teachers and staff.
     

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