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Police Crash a Pool Party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Blatz, Jun 7, 2015.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I'm sure your objective analysis of the situation will still be objective if your own 14 year old daughter in her bikini was assaulted by a grown man just because she was talking back.

    I really want to know if this outstandingly objective father exists in real life that he will remember "O Ya, she talked back to the man, I need to punish her" after he witnessed that man assault his 14 year old daughter in her bikini. I'm pretty sure that would be traumatizing enough for the father that he probably will forget that her daughter was "asking for it" as if verbal exchanges warrant physical violence.
     
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  2. MojoMan

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    I totally agree with that. Good post. msr.
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    So the other side has a different story. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uZjHwOHFJGk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    So you can have a bias and automatically believe their side and I won't make any judgements either way.

    Guess what, it's still irrelevant to the notion that assaulting a 14 year old girl because of verbal exchanges should be and is a prosecutable offense.
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    Jump to conclusions matt
     
  6. MojoMan

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    It appears that these people were likely trespassing and breaking the rules of the community center by their unauthorized presence.

    When cops are responding to an apparent violation of the law and are attempting to control a crowd situation like this, they operate by different rules and have different law that apply to them than the general public does. If you or any of the rest of your crowd is truly expecting this police officer to be charged with a criminal offense, it is my preliminary sense that you are very likely to be disappointed.

    As I said several times before, his behavior does appear to have been overzealous to me, and I think his suspension pending an investigation and a probable disciplinary hearing is appropriate. But the leftist lynch-mob howls for his termination and his indictment on criminal charges appear to not be well supported by the facts that we have so far, or what we know about the responsibilities of police officers and the special rules that govern their conduct. Unless this guy has some history that pushes the evaluation of his conduct over the top, I would be surprised if this single incident resulted in his termination. But some sort of interdepartmental penalty short of termination would not surprise me at all.

    And a criminal assault indictment? You are more likely to see something like that filed against the people in that group who laid hands on the cop.

    I would be very please to see whatever legitimate, relevant additional information that can be presented, regardless of the perspective. Since I have not dug my heels in on a verdict at this premature stage (apparently unlike some people), as long as the process is thorough, unbiased, just and in accordance with the law, the outcome will be acceptable to me, and the millions of others who think like me.
     
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  7. fchowd0311

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    Usually when a 14 year old girl is assaulted, people get upset especially if all that 14 year old girl does is having some words with the officer as she was leaving. The notion that it's acceptable that cops have a different set of rules is dangerous. Dangerous enough that apparently people like you get upset when people believe a officer deserves to be prosecuted for assaulting a minor when he... assaulted a minor.

    The video is sufficient evidence regardless of events that occurred prior to the video being shot to condemn the officer for assaulting a 14 year old girl in her bikini. What more evidence do you need? The girl along with others around her were having some words with the officer. He told them to disperse. They did. The girl on her way from leaving the scene had a word, and the cop charged at her and took her down and pinned her while pulling her hair. Seriously, what more evidence is required? What more do you need? Why do you need to know the events that occurred prior to the video?
     
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  8. Bandwagoner

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    This is what you are over selling. She was either having words or she was leaving. If she had been leaving she might have left 20 minutes ago when it all went to crap.

    The police should have just sent a party van to lock everyone up that wasn't a resident or guest and sort it out later.
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    What am I overselling? She was walking away and apparently talking ****. Does that warrant the officer to physically charge at her and take her down? What is he trying to accomplish by taking her down? Why not let her mouth her **** as she walks away and never have to deal with her again? Why? Because his ego was damaged?

    When you take down a 14 year old girl in the manner in which he did you better have a damn good reason, if not it's called assaulting a minor.
     
  10. Anas acuta

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    Do you know what an assault is?




    They aggressively ran up on him and he did what he felt was necessary for his safety.

    People are complaining that cops aren't taking enough actions against people not cooperating with law enforcement but when things get out of hand and the cops step up to control the situation, everyone starts crying they were being too forceful.


    Who cares if they are kids? Kids can still kill you. If you trying to put cuffs of a someone and two guys run up at you, what are you going to do? If I saw my son acting like this toward any adult I would beat him like they stole from the collection plate at church. Unarmed people aren't un-dangerous.

    When the WHOLE story comes out, these things almost always turn out to be very different that what is shown on Youtube and Facebook. Sometimes a cop steps out of line, but the overwhelming majority of the time, I find that I can't fault them for doing what needed to be done. Can't wait until the body cams come out everywhere. It will show who the real jerks are.

    I'm not surprised by the reactions around this place though...
     
  11. ipaman

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    it's not that simple. in these neighborhoods, typically residents can have guest. depending on the 'hood it could be 4 or 5 guest per resident pass. i know it's hard for some of ya'll to believe but several of the black kids lived there and had guests.
     
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  13. fchowd0311

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    O Noes... It's Mister 'Cops are infallible'. Glad you can chime in with your complete irrelevant point that has NOTHING to do with my argument about the 14 year old girl being taken down and assaulted because she was walking away and having words.
    :rolleyes: WOW... I really hope you are trolling.
     
  14. Cohete Rojo

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    I don't mean to sound lie a perv but man she's got some big t***. No wonder so many people showed up to her birthday party.
     
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    If I was there I would feel morally obligated to remove the officer from assaulting the 14 year old girl however I wouldn't carry it through as I know what the end result would have been for me. 5-10 shots in the chest. BTW, in Texas it is legal for a concealed carry permit holder to use deadly force on an officer who is assaulting an individual with no standing.
     
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  16. Anas acuta

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    The officer sat the males on the ground and instructed the females to leave. The girl in the bikini that got put down refused to leave and tried to mingle back into the crowd. He then took her hand and attempted to escort her off the premises and she appeared to pull away from him. At this point, she is out of line and will be treated as such. The more she refused to comply with instructions, the more aggressive the officer became.

    Someone black was wronged (allegedly), so I expect nothing less from you.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    That's right. And if you attacking the cop, he would have been likely been acting in his authority if he had responded in that way. That is not an error or a mistake in the law, by the way, even though you may feel differently about it.
     
  18. Anas acuta

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    Read up on that law. Study it.


    The main problem with that law; the person who thinks the use of force is unlawful, is wrong.
     
  19. Bandwagoner

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    The people who threw the party were black and residents. I'm sure the HOA fines will be glorious. You say several were there legally, what is your source. ITT it has already been reported 70-100 were trespassing.
     

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