No, that is not what happens. I have seen the video 4 or 5 times. You have people everywhere, you have people running, you have people filtering out everywhere. It is not an ideal situation. It really isn't that hard. There is ZERO payoff to arguing or refusing to comply with the officer. Was the officer appropriate? I don't think so, I think he shouldn't be allowed to be involved in law enforcement. He doesn't seem to understand the very basic principle that his goal is to keep the peace and resolve the issue safely for everyone. However that doesn't change the fact you do not argue or protest a simple command to shut up and get down or get across the street if it isn't putting you in grave physical harm. In this case, we are dealing with young teenagers, and they are not mentally fully developed and officer GI Joe seems to think he is Bosnia. All of that is irrelevant though...... get down, shut up and let the situation and stress lower. Then you can address the issue of whether the officer deserves to be reprimanded. If the citizenry will not listen to basic commands, like get down, shut up, roll down your window, etc... we will see the situation escalate even further..... if for no other reason than self preservation, follow basic commands.
Wait.. wait... Are you still denying the clear obvious situation at what preceded after the 45 second mark where the officer in question told these kids to sit down in an aggressive manner while those kids were calmly being interviewed by the other in control officer? Are you serious?
So you disagree with Nook? If a cop tells you to get down and shut up and you stand up and argue because "we are past that", what positive comes of it?
I don't think you understand my point. Yes, I understand it's a losing battle to confront a officer who you believe to be out of control. What I am saying is that we need to reach a point in society where confronting an officer out of control while it's happening wouldn't be a loosing battle that conflicts with your own self-preservation.
While I'm being interviewed by another officer calmly? Yes. At the very least I hope the other officer who was interviewing me would stand up for me and tell the other officer that there is no reason to shout at me.
What I am telling you is that is not my understanding of your hypothetical. You had people running all over in the middle of a chaotic event. Honestly, it doesn't even matter...... If you get pulled over or find yourself in the middle of a situation and an officer tells you to shut up and get down, or to get across the street and you refuse and start arguing with the officer.... best of luck. Not obeying basic commands from an officer is dangerous for everyone involved and too often escalates. I have taught my son that the police are not always right, and as we can see, they are TOO OFTEN handling situations poorly.... but you are told to get in the police car, shut up or get down, do as you are told so the situation is resolved peacefully.
Nook said no positive comes from arguing, bigtexx agreed, you disagreed. what positive comes from arguing with a cop who tells you to get down and shut up. screaming or not.
There was no hypothetical. Again, 45 second mark. Kids were calmly being questioned by the in control officer. Out of control officer barges in yelling at them to get on the ground. What are you seeing at the 45 second mark?
He's the one who made that situation stressful... I mean the other officers didn't appear stressed. I would think the officers shooting it out with a armed biker gang is what would be considered a stressful situation. Just because you would have shut up and got on the ground is no excuse for that officer to use excessive force on the girl... Did you see how he had his knees on her back putting his weight on her like he was trying to break her back. Even if she didn't shut up was that necessary...?
If I see a cop assulting a 14 year old girl, should I wait after the girl is assaulted and report it on social media or try to prevent an assault on a 14 year old girl? The answer is my prevention of an assault on a 14 year old girl performed by an officer would threaten my self preservation and would be a loosing battle. That notion is a sad state of affairs in my opinion. That is the jist of my argument.
Yeah.... that isn't what you initially said, and refusing to get down or arguing isn't the proper way to handle the situation. We need police officers that do not think they are military soldiers in the middle of a war zone, but we also need a citizenry that will follow basic commands that do not put them in harms way. I also understand that the lack of cooperation is in part based on the way officers conduct themselves. Look I agree with you on many issues.... I just am very concerned that a number of people are going to get unnecessarily hurt. I think at this point there needs to be a recognition that enough of the citizenry is not happy with the way the police are conducting themselves and we need to overhaul what the role of a police officer is, and what is and isn't acceptable.
I've seen one narrative from named people at the scene during the time of the altercation. This narrative includes multiple videos. I see another screenshot from someone who claims to be from the area. Which do you think holds more weight in most people's eyes?
Another point. Confronting an out of control officer is a loosing battle primarily because the out of control officer's peers will always have his back. That situation has to change somehow. Situations like these can be prevented if the other in control officer just calmly told the out of control officer "Hey buddy, These kids are fine. I'm questioning them." This allows two things to happen. It politely informs the out of control officer that maybe he is being a bit too assertive and it allows the kids that are allegedly out of control to witness a cop that is on their side which can significantly deescalate a situation.
I already said the officer escalated the situation, should at a minimum lose his job and did not handle the situation appropriately. At no point in time did I say the officer was justified, I said he was wrong. I don't agree with taking a 14 year old girl and throwing her to the ground in that situation. I want to make that very clear, I fully believe the officer was wrong. I also said that the officer should have realized he was dealing with very young people. My response was limited to a poster saying that he would argue with the officer and not follow the command to get down... that does NOT mean the officer responded appropriately.
it is definitely not productive to yell back at the officer but then again thousands of these kinds of parties happen and gets busted across the country with rowdy teenagers yelling at the police. I don't know why the one cop is freaking out like it's the Baltimore riots. Most cops I've seen in these situations just tell everyone to f off without really instigating anything even when they are being yelled at. There really was no weapons or danger, just loud suburban teens running around, and like one fight broke out.
WOW . . . took ya 4 pages to make it in I must say your restraint is exceptional "What for More Facts . . . .. if the victims are . . .well you know. . . ." <--- should be put in your signature *grin* Rocket River
We expect more from the teenage victims than from a so called professional law enforcement officer A-Mazing Then again I guess he saw 7 ft tall Black Wonder Woman with her golden Lasso and sword coming for him when he took down the Little girl . . . . . . Rocket River "Await the "She looked older" defense'
BTW Texxx, here is the other side of the story even though it still has no relevance to how the officer assaulted the 14 year old girl. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/uZjHwOHFJGk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
