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The girl with the mattress

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, May 22, 2015.

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What do you think?

  1. The girl is right - the guy raped her

    3.2%
  2. The girl is a psycho ex who is trying to take revenge

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  3. I detect bias - need more facts

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  1. Northside Storm

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    If that survey is BS, how do you explain the following?

     
  2. andersongo

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    Properly dismantled and sent packing back to Jezebel.
     
  3. andersongo

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    I don't need to explain anything. I will only say: show me the receipts for this bold claim. But I guess the new fangled SJW breed does has a problem with the concept of burden of proof.
     
  4. durvasa

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    Yes. If she eventually does so without a fight, and ... (I don't need to repeat it all here). You can't tell me such a scenario is impossible.

    So on one hand, you'd like us to believe that "Mattress Girl" is a crazy psycho, but yet she would of course be rational/mature enough to know immediately that she was raped if it had happened?

    People react in ways we sometimes don't understand completely. Having never been in that situation, and I assume you haven't either, how can I decide that this is not possible?

    I think I understand your frustration. If we allow her this, that there is a mere "possibility" she is telling some truth, then what defense do men have against having their reputations tarnished in the way this young German fellow had? That does suck, and I don't have a good response to that. I can only look at the evidence put forward, and decide (for myself) what the range of possibilities are. If I met the accused, I would not shun him or look down on him, and I certainly wouldn't call him a rapist or a sexual predator. I would treat him like he was innocent. Given the lack of evidence, and without firsthand knowledge of him, I think everyone should give him that.

    I really need to step away from this thread now. I've said all that all I wanted to say.
     
  5. Northside Storm

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    :rolleyes: -> "Oh it's a BS survey!"

    What do you need?

    1) An anecdote similar to this one?
    2) Figures from the Department of Justice?
    3) Research from the CDC?
    4) In-depth analysis from RAINN?

    let me know.
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Probably a good idea.

    Threads usually go downhill as soon as the intern start his attention-whoring ways.
     
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  7. andersongo

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    Tangible proof that there are indeed 60% more rapes and by that I don't mean "evidence" gathered through surveys or "analysis" from activist organisation. This a rape claim and it can only be proved with court receivable facts. The truth is that there is no other way for the accuracy of those stupid surveys of yours to be verified.
     
  8. andersongo

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    Being a crazy psycho is not incompatible with acknowledging that being bonked forcibly in the butt is actually rape.
    She has been allowed the opportunity to prove her story and it has been contradicted by facts. That you can still consider that there is some truth in such a bold faced lie is really your problem and I won't try to change your mind about this.
     
  9. andersongo

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    Also I did not mention anything about actual physical resistance. Her saying "no" is enough to signal refusal. Again no ambiguity there. So yes, you're hypothesis about signalling refusal but yet not acknowledging rape is logically impossible.
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    Something like this?

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/11/20/overlooking-rape

     
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  11. durvasa

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    Just responding so you know that I've read your responses. Thanks for the conversation.
     
  12. AroundTheWorld

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    [​IMG]

    I got this in a rep comment. Too good not to post.
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    How so? Blacks are often presumed guilty before innocent. That's pretty established.

    I disagree. She might have convinced herself she was raped. Her accusations didn't make sense or had some serious holes in it, which is why the police didn't pursue it.


    The wage gap is calculated by looking at similar positions. Otherwise it would be ALOT bigger than 2% lol.
     
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  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Somehow you managed to get three things completely wrong in a sentence this short.

    First, the wage gap is not calculated by looking at similar positions. It is calculated quite simplistically by dividing the median female income by the median male income and is generally expressed as a percentage. The wage gap in the United States has women making about 78% of what a man makes, or $0.78 on the dollar.

    Second, the wage gap IS a lot bigger than 2%, as shown above.

    Third, I never claimed that the wage gap was 2%, nor did anyone else. The 2% figure is what feminists claim is the rate of false rape reports. It has nothing to do with the wage gap, except that it is the same group of people that trot out the bogus numbers for both issues.
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    Weirdly, this is a case where the accusations are also pretty much clearly false, and it also involves a German...tables turned in this case:

    http://www.flatheadnewsgroup.com/hu...cle_51b402c8-0a02-11e5-9090-57fff060f45d.html

    German student a no-show in court

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    A 24-year-old German woman has been charged with two counts of tampering with evidence and one count of filing a false claim in connection with a rape report she made as a foreign exchange student at Columbia Falls High School in 2009.
    The charges were filed in Flathead County District Court against Christina Nelson, AKA Christina Mark, by Montana assistant attorney general Mary Cochenour. Nelson faces up to 10 years and a $50,000 fine for each charge if convicted.
    Billings cases
    The six-year-old rape case resurfaced after police in Billings grew suspicious about rape and assault reports made there by Nelson. In several of the reports, the suspect named by Nelson was out of town or out of the state at the time.
    Billings Police Det. Denise Baum discovered law enforcement held five SANE rape kits for cases brought by Nelson — one from Columbia Falls in 2009, one allegedly involving an ex-boyfriend in Billings in 2009, and three allegedly involving another ex-boyfriend in 2012.
    In Nelson’s most recent report, she claimed an ex-boyfriend raped her in the parking lot of the Billings Planned Parenthood building in August 2012.
    Security cameras, however, did not corroborate Nelson’s claim, and credit card and photographic evidence showed that the ex-boyfriend had traveled to Seattle that day.
    Nelson also claimed the same ex-boyfriend assaulted her with a knife twice in May 2012, but he was in Missoula on one of the days she claimed she was assaulted.
    Nelson was charged in Yellowstone County District Court in December 2012 with one felony count of fabricating evidence. She pleaded not guilty and was released after posting a $20,000 bond.
    The case was dismissed in July 2013 when Judge Todd Baugh ruled that the prosecution’s reliance on a sexual assault examination was misplaced. He gave prosecutors 30 days to amend the charges.
    The prosecutors appealed, and the Montana Supreme Court reversed the lower court and remanded the case to district court in May 2014.
    Prom night
    The Columbia Falls incident occurred on Saturday, April 4, 2009, when a male student took Nelson to the high school prom “as friends,” as he later told police. He left alone at the end of the prom, and Nelson caught a ride home with friends.
    High school teacher Jenny Lovering later told police she noticed the two weren’t together during the prom and asked Nelson why on Facebook the next day. Nelson replied that her date was aggressive, violent and wouldn’t stop, Lovering said. On Monday, Nelson told Lovering that her date had raped her on the way to the prom, that she felt funny, couldn’t move and couldn’t remember what happened when she woke up naked in a parked car.
    The next day, Nelson told Lovering that her date had cut her with a knife. Lovering said she encouraged Nelson to get a rape exam. Nelson agreed and went to Kalispell Regional Medical Center for a SANE exam. Nelson reportedly told the examining nurse that her date had cut her with a knife, strangled her and punched her in the stomach during the rape.
    Nelson was reluctant to report the rape to authorities. She told Lovering that she was afraid for herself and her host family. Lovering said she spoke to Columbia Falls High School principal Alan Robbins about Nelson, and he said he couldn’t expel the male student unless Nelson filed charges. Nelson then told the school resource officer, Columbia Falls police officer Todd Mertz.
    At one point during the subsequent investigation, Nelson told Flathead County victims advocate Diane Vonderheide that she wanted to drop the charges because the case was too emotional and she was afraid of the boy and his friends. Nelson made it clear the boy and his friends were not pressuring her, but without Nelson’s cooperation, the case was dropped.
    Nelson later sent a bill for $8,100 for medical bills related to the alleged rape to the Crime Victims Compensation Program. The claim was denied because Nelson wouldn’t follow through with the case.
    The male student that Nelson accused of raping her was not expelled from school and graduated in 2009, according to Columbia Falls High School principal Scott Gaiser.
    Arrest warrant
    Cochenour filed charges against Nelson in Flathead County in January 2014.
    “The five SANE kits initiated and completed by Christina and the two reports of assault show that Christina had a motive or pattern of accusing young men that she had dated of raping her and assaulting her when no such rape or assault occurred,” Cochenour said.
    On Feb. 20, Cochenour asked Flathead County District Court Judge Ted Lympus to quash an arrest warrant issued for Nelson and change it to a summons. Cochenour said Nelson was in Europe and would face difficulty returning to the U.S. with an arrest warrant in place.
    Cochenour said Nelson was not a U.S. citizen but was married to a man from Circle, with whom they had a child. Cochenour told Lympus that she believed Nelson would return to see her husband and child. Lympus agreed and quashed the arrest warrant.
    Nelson, however, did not show up at a May 21 initial appearance hearing. Lympus ordered a bench warrant and set the bond at $100,000, the same amount Nelson faces in Yellowstone County. Nelson was appointed a conditional public defender, and arraignment is scheduled for June 11.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Apparently this is quite common that those who have been raped continue to be friendly towards their attacker.

    This is from one of the 4 who stepped up (anonymously):

    http://jezebel.com/i-am-not-a-pretty-little-liar-1705996719

    worth a read.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    Why would you bump a thread about a woman lying about rape?
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I thought she was lying but now I am not so sure.
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I just have a problem accepting anonymous accusers years after the fact, especially given that a couple of other accusers showed up that were later shown to be either lying or making unsubstantial or largely exaggerated claims. This sounds like it was one of those. There's also one from a gay guy.
     

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