Biker gang plans armed protest for Mohammed cartoon contest at Arizona Mosque

The previous Muslim shooter was said to have worshipped there.

In general I agree with you that this is dumb, but I take an issue with the idea that this is a provocation or dare to violence.

Protests happen all the time and protesters dont get attacked. Were the Baltimore and Ferguson protestors daring the police to shoot them?

If someone shoots someone over a drawing or protest, it's on the shooter. I was provoked by a drawing is not a defense.

 

I agree with that. But I don't agree that provocation is a kind of justification. It wouldn't diminish the crime.

It comes down to what the motivations of these protesters are. It appears to me that their demonstration is an attempt to lure terrorists out into the open to "expose the true colors of Islam"; this is what they're hoping for. And if that's the case, characterizing it as a "dare" seems appropriate.

Or maybe I'm being overly cynical on their intentions and I have it all wrong. Maybe they just want to show the world that Americans won't be intimidated, and they're counting on their strength in numbers to ward off any would be attackers.

 

because so many american muslims are bad and responsible for terrible things . the hypocrisy is laughable. When your average biker is more likely to be guilty of a crime than your average suburban muslim family, but feels he/she has the right to make others feel bad about themselves.

 

I actually agree with you that the protesters are cynical and probably racist.

I think we're pretty much on the same page just emphasizing different parts of the issue.

 

Do you think that black protesters fighting for equal rights in America provoked racist whites into lynching them? Do you think they were irresponsible protesters?

Because I dont.

 

You just went there.


A group of people (said bikers) who have had nothing happen to them by group of people in that mosque (average american muslim family) is being equated to the civil rights protest after a history of brutal slavery and shameful discrimination at that time.

 

Like I said, these protesters are idiots. But they dont deserve to get shot.

Heck, there are morons protesting dead veterans at their funerals. I dont think they should be shot either.

The only time people say there shouldn't be protests is when it's against Muslims. Because some rogue Muslims might get mad and shoot them.

 

Ok I hope there is a mitigating story behind this admission.

 

If the shooter worshiped at this mosque, and he learned/acquired his hate through messages shared at that mosque, then why is a non-violent protest a bad thing?

 

QUESTION: A 'legally' burning cross .. . . would you consider that a non-violent protest?

Serious Question

Rocket River

 

That's going on private property and an implicit threat of violence.

So, no.

 

That's a good point. Maybe this mosque only teaches peace, but if they are teaching hate they deserve to be protested.

 

So basically an assumption. That mosque has no history of extremist rhetoric. The two shooters attended that mosque most likely because it was the closest mosque to their residence as most American Muslims do as there isn't an abundance of mosques like their are churches where one has the ability to be selective and choose a place of worship that closely aligns with their beliefs. I don't understand why we should villainize the mosque.

 

Maybe a Jihadist can show up, take out a bunch of these biketards, then get killed in the process. Wins all around?

 

I didn't make any kind of assumption. I asked a question. And by the way - Anwar al Awlaki (sp?) used to preach in American mosques so don't try to claim there have never been bad apples out there in American mosques.

 

I've always been upset with LBJ for turning down a request from the Hell's Angels to go to Vietnam and fight the commies. That was the one chance we had to get rid of motorcycle gangs and the whole mystique that has been created around them.

 

That would have created more mystique

 

Black folks were getting lynched long before they started protesting for civil rights dude... But you're looking at it wrong... White supremacist start protesting and marching 1st (like at people's places of worship) before they start lynching and killing.

You call the events in places like Ferguson race baiting... Unfortunately you don't see the same situation going on here.

One shot rings out and there could be a lot of bloodshed. Just enough to institute tougher gun laws that many gun advocates won't like. Ferguson, Baltimore, etc didn't work so now they're trying Islamic extremists. They just have to hope the media plays ball like they do against Black folks.

 

When did I ever claim that there are zero mosques in the U.S. that preach extremist rhetoric? Are there zero churches in the U.S. that preach extremist rhetoric? No. Does that mean that I should be a half-wit and arbitrarily protest a church just because that church happened to have a prior murderer at it's congregation?

 

not really. just had a realization i was in an eacho chamber and the stuff white people believed about other ppl wasn't true when i actually met those ppl in real life and the science didn't back their beliefs. so i left