Yeah it all depends on your personal definition of rape, it doesn't rise to the standard for me, but everyone's definition is different. Hell, some people consider consensual sex that a woman later regrets to be rape.
Because he busted through that hymen, and I've been assured that Tyrion does not have a dwarf sized penis.
No ****. You know that anyone who uses the term Social Justice Warriors has a a chronic and debilitating case of butthurt.
It's not so much it doesn't make sense, but it's gotten too formulaic and contrived. I literally rolled my eyes at that scene. The writers had two objectives in this episode 1. Give Sansa a reason to light that candle or at least start the ball rolling 2. Mid-season climax, ie in GOT, that's try to do something shocking for the sake of it. When the red herring, ie Miranda was denied by Sansa. I guessed what was coming, pun intended :grin: I don't believe it'll get this bad, but worst case scenario. After further ordeals, Sansa turns into a lesbian. With her saviour, the butch dyke looking Brienne, who herself is in love with Jamie Lannister, as the object of unrequited attention. The times they are a-changin', but TV stays the same, LOL.
As much as I'd like to believe Sansa will have a lesbian turn, I am convinced she is going to continue using sex against men. That's the obvious arc of the plot. I think her next sexual encounter will be with Littlefinger after Ramsay is removed from the picture. Is Sansa going to kill the stable girl or use her against Ramsay? God I hate this storyline.
The writing just isn't very good this season. It makes little sense just in the context of the show that the Bolton's would betray the Lannisters by marrying a known fugitive wanted for Joffrey's murder. A decision that should cost them their position as Warden's of the North and logically resulting in reversing the royal decree legitimizing Ramsay, just to have a figure head Stark wife. What are they really gaining for what they are giving up? Why would the Iron Throne send no help the north? Stannis is a threat to Tyrells, Freys, Boltons and Lannisters alike and there are no other threats discussed on the show for them to worry about. With no other distractions than their petty court squables, it makes very little sense that they wouldn't send a combined attack to wipe Stannis out. What are their armies doing right now? Then on the flip side what does giving Sansa to the Boltons gain Littlefinger? An excuse to go invade and become warden of the north because of the issues listed above? The thing is Cersei didn't ask for any proof of Sansa being there. There could have been no Sansa at all and the story would have played out the same way. And if she had asked for proof, what could he give her? What if she sent her own spies to confirm the story? Then it would take very minimal work to discover that Sansa arrived with Littlefinger to Winterfell, also destroying his plan. And we have to presume that the armies of the Vale are willing to go die for Littlefinger so he can become Warden of the North even though that makes little sense. Frankly I'm surprised Cersei didn't send the combined Lannister and Tyrell armies north right away under the belief that they are likely harboring Tyrion too. The rape scene itself didn't offend me, but the entire marriage didn't make much sense so it seems just to be there for shock value. You can argue that no matter what Sansa does for "revenge" at this point, having her family murdered and being raped by the murderer's son makes for a rather hollow "victory". Then we look at Dorne, where apparently they have the worst security in Westeros. Armed foreigners are able to just walk up to the prince and punch him and no guards are any where to be found until another group of assailants comes and fights loudly for several minutes. And what was the point? What exactly is the Sand Snakes plan? I thought they wanted to kill Myrcella, but they had a number of opportunities during the fight and didn't try once. Are they only allowed to kill people once they have buried them in the sand up to their necks? And Jaime has no plan even if they had successfully taken Myrcella out of the Water Gardens? I still don't understand why Jaime kidnapping Myrcella from Dorne would be less of a political disaster than having an army come with them to liberate Myrcella. Doran might not kill little girls, but it's hard to believe he wouldn't kill Jaime Lannister when he is fighting in the presence of the prince of Dorne whom Bronn assaulted. Then we have the trial where the word of a male prostitute is taken over the word of the queen and the heir of high garden. He saw his birth mark! Congratulations squire, I imagine most squires have seen the birth marks on their knights in the process of serving them. Between seeing them dress and undress for battle, preparing their baths, doing their laundry, and tending their wounds, that's hardly compelling testimony. Good thing they aged up Tommen so he can watch slack jawed and do nothing as his wife and the first woman he has ever slept with gets imprisoned. Cersei keeps saying it wasn't her who armed the faith, it was Tommen... but for all Margaery's scheming she hasn't convinced Tommen to just sign a new order disarming them? Are they more powerful than the Lannister and Tyrell armies combined now that they can just openly defy the king? If so why did they need his consent to arm themselves in the first place?
I'd say it's more than just this season. The logic of the plot in the book is pretty solid, so where they've followed the book, the show has been solid. Where they've gone off on their own, all kinds of plot holes seem to sprout. And since they're going it alone now more than ever, we're going to have more problems than ever. Probably it'd never bother me if I hadn't read the books and come to expect better. I never held True Blood to this kind of standard.
No one fears the Lannisters like they use to and Roose Bolton knows and has said that their deal was with Tywin. Because the north is large and far away with the Lannister army being under the control of Tywin's brother. We will see how the major houses align themselves after takes or doesn't the North. I would imagine the most powerful house in Westeros, House Tyrell, would be on the fence since their two heirs are in prison. Pretty much to the bolded. There's a lot to fit into a 1 hour, 10 episode season, so it can't be too "realistic". It seems they are setting up a major battle in the North, will Littlefinger become Warden or will the Starks again rule?
It seems they are setting up the events that will define the last few seasons, much like how season 1 setup seasons 1-4.
Pretty much this. I know why they're doing what they're doing. They books keep growing in scale. And the show has largely followed but it can only do that up to a certain point. It would be really hard to add all the new characters and give them enough screen time to do them justice. And it'd be hard to bring back minor characters that non-book readers never even realize existed. So they scrap stuff and merge storylines and have people do things they didn't do in the books in order to hit certain plot points meant for other characters that won't appear on the show. And the result is plot holes and questionable, murky motivations that don't make a lot of sense.
The whole show has been as ambitious an undertaking as there has even been on TV, I think the first seasons set a standard that is going to be almost impossible to replicate or surpass. But we are at the point where they have to start making it a TV series and the overall quality of the story will inevitably suffer. But that isn't going to stop me from watching.
Finally people are seeing my point! LOL They've lost a lot of logic this season. I'm not a book reader and it standing out to me, and sure enough when I run it by people who have read the books it turns out that they've deviated on the things that don't make logical sense. Some gripes I have right now: 1) Jorah Mormont touched a stoneman and got greyscale. Within minutes of touching someone he has a good sized patch on his hand. How quick does that stuff spread? Seems like within a week he should mumbling around at the ruins of Valyria! 2) The Danny forced marriage scene was ridiculous. They've done a piss poor job at explaining what the issue in that city is if a logical resolution is to marry that cat. 3) Littlefinger teleporting. No explanation needed. He can just "be" anywhere at anytime to make the plot move forward. 4) Littlefingers schemes in the show don't actually work because he's smart, they work because the show wants them to work. It's ridiculous. The show writers have written illogical decisions for everyone in order for Littlefingers schemes to work. It's a big change from the early seasons when he seemed like this brilliant mastermind that was pulling puppet strings. Now it seems like he's just a lucky gambler. 5) The entire Dorne scenario is completely illogical, poorly written and full of bad acting/scripts. I still like the show and the overall story arch, but there's a lot of bad moments here now. It's not as strong from a storytelling perspective now as it was in the first 3 seasons.
Anyway, there's only two more seasons left. That's probably for the best because I'm afraid if they tried to go 10 like HBO wanted them to, these two guys in charge would jump the shark BIG TIME.
I agree with so much of this Season 1 - Little Finger and Varys were the best . . now .. . .one is marginalized to non existance and the other is a 'lucky gambler' The Writing and Storylines are just falling off so badly now Rocket River
I agree with the gripes on the Dorne storyline, but I think judging some of this other stuff right now may a bit too hasty. Let's see where the story goes.
About the whole rape thing- - I personally felt gross after that scene. I get what some folks are saying and I agree. What did it add to the story, did we really need THAT in order to know Ramsey was F-ed up, and they made the whole thing about Reek/Theon. I went back awhile ago and watched the pilot. The wedding night of Dany/Drogo & the sexual abuse from her brother IMO was almost sensualized at some points, and I really feel like that whole episode sexualized Dany. If you're going to let the other night swear off the show you really need to evaluate where your head was at even during the pilot. The show has always been sketchy with their depiction of sexual abuse, and deserves criticism. The scene the other night with Sansa pissed off so many people for 3 reasons- A. Because rape is a plot device AGAIN, and its un-original thinking B. Because just like the whole Jaws affect... the scariest things on film are what you don't see, but can use your imagination to depict C. Its Sansa and she's been built up from day 1 as pure. Dany, from day 1 was depicted differently. I too felt worse about the rape scene because of these things. However the next four episodes need to explain to us why we needed the rape instead of something more original as a plot device to turn Reek back into Theon, tag team Sansa and Theon, and truly show that Ramsey is bad news. The only other somewhat interesting thing this can do is severely damage Sansa alliance with Littlefinger, and could pin her against him, or royally screw him. I dunno, but the showrunners really have put themselves in a corner with this one. There better be something really, really impactful waiting around the corner to make me say "Ah ha". ...................... As for the Sand Snakes/Dorne BS.... they need to drop that whole plot and get Jamie elsewhere ASAP. If they couldn't do Dorne justice then they shouldn't have done it at all. They could have spent more time with Tyrion/Jorah or incorporated more iron islands stuff from the books. Either way... .they need to just drop that storyline and get back to business. What a huge bust so far.
