This team would be better off with Derrick Williams playing Jones' minutes. Williams is superior to Jones on both ends. He'd be an upgrade. So if he would be an upgrade...you can bet the others would too. Thanks for reminding me about Derrick. Going to add him back to my signature as a possible low-budget free agent addition. Although at this point I'm hoping for Jerebko even more.
Yes Holic is one of the top posters on here, but to me he loses creds when he continues to bash one of our key contributors. He rarely ever give this young man props when he do play solid for us. Whenever someone says anything positive, he quickly refutes it by saying either it was against scrubs, or the other teams small lineup. And you are spot on, Holic has been against Jones since we drafted him. Dobro can attest that.
Anyone who puts internet pride above supporting the team should absolutely have that called out. Same can be said of the multitude of posters who want McHale out so bad that some actually say it would be a good thing for the Rockets to lose in order to get him fired. Yes, people have actually said that, and its an embarrassment to our fanbase. Objective criticism is welcome here. Hoping for upgrades at certain positions... of course. I'd love to upgrade the team anywhere we can get it. However the blatant vendetta's and smear campaigns are ridiculous. Its about posters like this making claims and gambles years ago, sticking to favorites, and rooting against players/coaches/FO personnel etc. because they want to be right about their predictions more than they want the team to win. Anti-fans seems like a good way to describe them. Some use the term troll. Whatever it might be they can be entertaining at times, and full of knowledge other times, but their motives need to be crystal clear and called out in the open. If not, newer/younger fans who just don't know any better can definitely be swayed and these guys can absolutely seed a very negative fanbase. I don't think its too much to ask to continue to call out internet pride over being a supportive fan. Especially now when the team is at a place where they need fan support more than ever.
Twist it any way you like dobro. Supporting a player over the good of the team is the primary indicator of a non-fan. That is what the LOFs did. Unfortunately we have a group of JOFs here now. If you're going to be a true fan of the team, then be objective about what helps this team win and what hinders this team from winning. If you are objective about those things then you'll join me in agreeing that Terrence cannot play major minutes at this time and us have any chance to win a championship. He has no defensive matchup he can win. And he's a liability on offense against a great defensive team like the Warriors.
That is the dumbest accusation you can throw out there. Nobody is supporting Jones over the team. That's a ridiculous statement anyways because Jones is part of the team. Supporting him cannot in any world = not supporting the team. I won't care one bit if he's replaced in the lineup and I sure as hell wouldn't care if they traded him for an upgrade. That is well documented as I say time and time again which you refuse to ignore. The Rockets have weaknesses- -Harden's Defense -Howards Free throws -PG situation -inconsistent 3 point shooting for a 3 point shooting team -inconsistent team D (especially in transition) -etc. etc. -Terrence Jones' deficiencies are on the list but they certainly aren't the only thing. If the Rockets could upgrade or eliminate all of their weaknesses wouldn't we live in such a beautiful perfect universe. Terrence Jones MUST play well in order to win the series just as Harden must step is up on D, and Howard must stay healthy and keep playing on a high level. He's part of the rotation for better or worse. Its called supporting the team you have. Jones is part of the rotation out of necessity. Doesn't mean we have to sh$^ on him constantly. He needs fan support. Not Anti-Fan smear campaigns. If it was Jeremy Lin that we still had to rely on I would say the same thing. Even though Lord knows the team would have been better with a significant PG upgrade. They didn't really get that upgrade, but they got better value at the PG spot, that allowed them to upgrade other positions/roles. Much like Lin, Jones' value is part of the package. It is what has allowed the Rockets the flexibility to do other things with their roster if that spot cannot be upgraded significantly. However Lin was replaced with better value. Jones ALREADY is the better value. So just stop it with the whole I'm not really an Ant-Fan thing. You don't support the entire team, and go on smear campaigns. You are part of the problem not part of the solution around here.
No, Williams is NOT an upgrade or superior. D-Will at VERY BEST is a lateral move. He's not even a starter on lottery teams much less a championship team. Just as bad from 3 as T-Jones Jerebko, sure that'd be a nice pickup. He's an example of being a decent player no matter the quality of team he's on. And people should see the benefit of a 4 that can shoot by example of Josh Smith of all people. When his 3 is dropping, it noticeably changes the dynamic of the team. Yes it is tempting to see what a player who is actually a consistent 3pt maker would do for team.
I agree with everything you have posted. I don't understand why this man is so persistent about wanting to be right on this topic. This has been going on since we drafted Jones. Every year he has been proving wrong, but yet he continues to cut this man down. All the other glaring problems that went on last night and he only singles out Jones. I guess it was Jones's fault that we allowed Livingston to carve up our defense. The entire defense during those two killer stretches, looked lost. And neither one of them got back on defense in transition.
Naw. The dumbest accusation you can throw out there is the anti-fan accusation. Just as there were posters here supporting Lin over the good of the team, there are posters here supporting Jones over the good of the team. Sure it can. You can want to see Jones play good so much that you prefer him to get minutes that are detrimental to the team's success and you refuse to recognize that he is hurting the team. I know you don't really care. What you care about is winning an argument. Something that I don't care about. You want to win the Jones argument. But it's already lost. He's not a rotation player on a championship team. He's not a rotation player on a championship-caliber team. The problem here is Terrence is not skilled enough to play "well" against the Warriors. It's a fundamental issue. Since he's not skilled enough to play well against the Warriors, his minutes have to be restricted in favor of another player who has the possibility of playing well against the Warriors because he is skilled enough to do so. Nobody supports this team more than me. But Jones as part of the rotation is NOT out of necessity. It is because of McHale's PREFERENCE. Now if Dwight is down....then you can POSSIBLY make the point about necessity. But not up until this point. I don't do that constantly. I have given him props when he played well. Have never denied that. No, he needs a skill set. You mean, not anti-team JOF cheering sections, don't you. I said the same things about Lin. When he was hurting the team, he needed to be out of there. Jones will be replaced with better value. He is not the better value than Lin. That's the machinations of a JOF right there. A smear campaign is what happens when you make blatant false accusations about a person. I have said nothing false about Terrence. So just stop it with the JOF campaign and the anti-team thing. You don't support the entire team. If you did, you would recognize Terrence is hurting this team and he doesn't have the skill set to help this team right now.
Let's take it down a notch people. Sure it's annoying that Terrence Jones never developed into a starting quality player, but should we focus this much on a random bench guy that likely has no future with the team? We don't need heated debates about the strengths and weaknesses of Kostas Papanikolaou and we don't need it about Jones either for the same reason.
say what you want, we NEED T Jones to play better in order for us to win this series. He is still young so we have to give him a little room to grow into his game. I just want him to play agressively and he will be ok. It's frustrating because he has the talent, just not the confidence in his game yet. We will see what he figured out tomorrow night. He usually plays better as the series goes along and he figures out he has the ability to compete and win his battle. C'mon T Jones, we need yah mane...
He can't play better and we have no room for him to grow into his game while we're trying to win a championship. All the room is gone. Went out the door with the Clippers. Can't afford to play him major minutes at this stage and win anything.
Your right right now isn't the time to talk about trading jones and iam sorry the thread title reflects that, my true intentions was meant for him being benched...but just to get it out of the way, his trade value hinges on him being on a rookie contract for one more year...thats what brings his value up and thats what i meant by saying lets trade him next year ...i don't believe he is a leper but i don't believe he was a big contributor to this teams success , and IMO he is easily replaced And believe me i do acknowledge that we have other weaknesses on this team obviously... but those weaknesses from our players really is on one side of the court, not every player in the NBA is a two way player, hardens defense is lacking, howards ft shooting is frustrating, brewers been out of control sometimes, arizas shot was cold for a while, They don't hurt our team at both ends of the court like jones has been doing. His lack of rebounding added to the fact he doesn't have the strength to defend 4s is just killing us, when howard went out he was exposed 16 of the 22 second chance pts came when he was on the floor and i hate to use test as an example because of how good Gs are but we are talking about barnes and draymond green getting rebounds over you, not Aldridge and a legit center...thats just too soft When you say his strength is his versatility and that he does many things well, id like you to elaborate plz ... what does he do well? Hes an OK player nothing more because of the reasons i have been stating and i don't mean to hate on the kid , but damn ariza isn't stronger but is a better rebounder?? he did a much better job when we subbed terry for Jones on the boards, how is that possible? Add to that he can't shoot or pass with any efficiency and aim sorry you don't have a decent player there you just don't, not against teams who will know how to defend him (stay in the lane). When the ball is in his hands i always cringe because his basketball IQ and i hope you agree is non existent. But I'am over yesterdays game and i hope he improves because if Mchale keeps playing him, which i think he will, well have no shot unless he significantly improves on both ends and gains the confidence to shoot wide open 3s he's been given, ...hes a tony allen without the D in my eyes and thats how i saw GS playing him, lets hope for all our sakes iam wrong
He can play better. How can be so absolute. He is still young and he has missed most of this year in player development. And the third year is one of the most crucial in development for any player.
We can't trade him right now. Dwight, Smith, Jones and Capela ALL have to dominate the paint. Jones frustrates the hell out of me but, right now we just have to hope he plays better in game 2.
