You set up the hypothetical of the white guy being "stalked" by a black guy and the white guy using a racial slur and how that wouldn't impact what you thought.
Again, I don't "cry" about racial slurs towards white people, I laugh at them because I don't get worked up about ignorant racists like some apparently do. That said, if a white man was on the phone with someone and said "What is that creepy redskin doing following me" immediately before confronting the man and assaulting him, no one would be up in arms about his death. We'd see it as just one fewer violent racist moron in the world.....which is how we'd see the Martin kid if he were anything but black or had been shot by anyone but a white man. My issue with you Remii isn't that you are a racist, as I said above, I don't get worked up by ignorant racists, but I can't stand hypocrites.
You mean this: Responding to this: I may have unintentionally caused confusion was a lazy pronoun. When I said I don't put a lot of weight on slurs used in a reversed situation, I was referring to the slurs the white man being pursued might use.
I think that you probably think that, but the entire thing would have been framed entirely different from the beginning so it's hard to say what we'd think about it. Odds are the story would have been about a black neighborhood watchman who was trying to prevent crime in his neighborhood was attacked by a racist white man who barely escaped with his life by shooting the crazed man. There would be talk about how the white man profiled the black neighborhood watchman, who was only trying to help keep his community safe, and assumed he was a criminal simply because he was black and how dangerous it is in America for black men who are constantly being targeted by white men. Once that media narrative got out, there would probably be protests about the neighborhood watchman even facing charges and talk of how it was unfair that he be prosecuted....and there would be people suggesting that if a white man had done the same thing there would be no charges at all. Facts of the case are usually secondary in stories like this....as was seen in Furguson.
I don't agree with Bobbythelesser all that much anymore, but I'm totally with him on that narrative he just laid out.
That's ridiculous. You think if we saw a report about a white guy getting killed, we'd dismiss it if we thought he was a racist? Absolutely not. What might change if you play musical chairs with the races is this. If it's a white guy being followed by a black guy (or any minority, really), it would be considered reasonable that he was afraid that the black guy intended to assault him. If it's a white guy following a white guy, agreement on the reasonableness of such a fear wouldn't be quite as universal. And if it's a white guy following a black guy, I think whites would think such a fear isn't reasonable but blacks would think it was. The way I see this incident, I think Martin decided to face Zimmerman out of fear for why he was following. It was a threat to which he thought it'd be better to resist than to run away (which is the law of the land in Florida, after all). Was that fear reasonable? I think it is. Even if an assault isn't likely, this unknown stalker might learn where he lives and use that information later. He might be waiting for a time when Martin is more vulnerable, or to find another target in his family who would be more vulnerable. Not knowing who this guy is or why he's following you is a good reason to assume the worst and do your best to defend yourself. Essentially, I think of Zimmerman stalking Martin as the original assault that obviates the need to determine who threw the first punch. Zimmerman instigated the fight by following Martin and putting him in a reasonable fear for his safety. To make another analogy: if a young woman finds herself being followed at night and -- fearing she might be raped -- turns around and maces the man following her in the face, is it really her assaulting the man with the mace, or the man instigating the incident by following her in the first place? It's perfectly legal for the man to walk on a public street, but he creates a reasonable fear in the woman by following and essentially creates a justification for her to mace him. The legal system in Florida didn't frame the case in that way, but I think they should have.
The point is that the report wouldn't be about a white man getting killed, it would be about a black neighborhood watchman assaulted by a racist and barely getting away with his life thanks to being armed. The second it got out that the white man uttered a racial slur directed at the innocent neighborhood watchman that narrative would die...if it ever saw the light of day to begin with. Also, if you're afraid that someone intends to assault you, then you don't leave your house to go confront them. If it's a white neighborhood watchmen following a white guy then it's not a story because it doesn't further any narratives. We'd have never heard about it in the first place The "fear" angle dies as soon as one realizes that the person who was allegedly afraid is the one who goes to confront and attack the neighborhood watchman. That's crazy. If you are afraid of someone, you don't leave your house to confront and attack them. You only do that if you are not afraid of them, but angry at them. It's just not something that follows logically. Nope, thinking someone is following you or thinking that someone is looking at you is not a justification for assault....it's simply not. Also, Martin showed that he wasn't in fear for his safety when he chose to leave the safety of his home and confront Zimmerman unarmed. There's simply no defending what Martin did even if we ignore the racial slur he uttered immediately before going after Zimmerman.
You're talking about realization online Lol... Anyway, I didn't actually call you a racist but I understand from that post it could be taken that way so my apologies. Then why pick and choose certain parts of the girl's testimony but bring that up. And if Scarface was right about what he posted about the other word Martin called Zimmerman to the girl... Why only bring up one slur and not both. I'm not going to entertain the foolishness of debating this hypothetical. JV already gave a good response to that nonsense. Would be better if you would show an actual situation to make your point instead of trying to pull "what if" out of thin air and trying to stereotype a mass amount of people. Check my track record (post). Jews, Christians, Muslims, Black, Hispanic, Asian etc ---> you have to wait your turn to call me a racist so I'm offended by you calling me a hypocrite and I demand an apology Sir...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Zimmerman involved in shooting with man who reported road rage incident last year, police say: <a href="http://t.co/skz1AG71AL">http://t.co/skz1AG71AL</a></p>— The Associated Press (@AP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AP/status/598053372072173568">May 12, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Zimmerman gives police statement about Lake Mary shooting <a href="http://t.co/CR7EBFDMpy">http://t.co/CR7EBFDMpy</a></p>— Orlando Sentinel (@orlandosentinel) <a href="https://twitter.com/orlandosentinel/status/598612805894406144">May 13, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
BTG you insist on saying that martin was the attacker you have no proof of that let it go zimmerman was in the wrong if he had listen to the dispatcher and let the cops do there job this wouldn't even be a issue.
You are wrong! You've learned NOTHING from the incident. Come on, son. Learn from the past to grow for the future.
You just compared an overgrown young man to a woman being stalked at night? You are completely out of touch with reality.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In an ironic twist of fate, George Zimmerman's shooter to use 'Stand Your Ground' defense: <a href="http://t.co/LFh4wm2lDt">http://t.co/LFh4wm2lDt</a> <a href="http://t.co/cNy3x9RZ3a">pic.twitter.com/cNy3x9RZ3a</a></p>— AJ+ (@ajplus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/605850665563217921">June 2, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The man who shot <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GeorgeZimmerman?src=hash">#GeorgeZimmerman</a> will use "Stand Your Ground" as his defense. This just got very interesting. <a href="http://t.co/itpWc9jlc0">http://t.co/itpWc9jlc0</a></p>— Larry King (@kingsthings) <a href="https://twitter.com/kingsthings/status/605837101880320001">June 2, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I guess he is stalking Warren in the hopes of a confrontation so he can kill him and use the stand my ground defense.
