Yea, from the victim's perspective. If an innocent got trampled in the escape, I'd put it on the screamer. If a bystander was shot because Geller's theatrics, then she isn't blameless either.
Wow you have a really warped perception of reality, the security guard was shot because there were terrorists looking to hurt people, no other reason.
Invited by Geller You would go shake her hand and congratulate her on her courage if there had been actual civilian casualties?
europeams like you don't know what the real world is like. just b.c you think something is a right doesn't mean the other person does. just b.c you think its a cartoon doesn't mean the other person does. just b.c 'it's a prank' to you doesn't mean the other person will laugh. my buddy almost got killed for telling a black person the ngger word. he had a right to free speech but somethings aren't said b.c they are not useful for two different cultures trying to talk to one another. he coulda told that guy to turn down his music nicely instead of insulting him. i have the right to cuss at a police officer who pulls me over but i don't do it b.c it'll piss him off and he won't give me a warning anymore. i can make fun of an arab sheikh by drawing a cartoon of his wives not being able to drive which pisses him off. or i can show him and the rest of his society articles and information and pamphlets and build schools and youtube channels that teach how other countries let women drive. i have a right to protest the high speed train taking my uncle's land away here in tx but im not going to exercise that right. there are better ways of telling the train company to build their fast train and still get my uncle his fair share. you can talk to the moslems without pissing them off the same way russia could talk to america without taking a dump on our flag or ideas. either you guys just don't like moslems period and you wanna use free speech laws to hide behind (you have that right) or you have no clue what strategy means, and that when dealing with another company, a team, a country, or culture the words you use have a lot of power.
Wilders is an idiot. I am not a fan of these things they use to provoke the idiotic axtremist. But the shooters are the only ones at fault. These type of Provocations should not lead to violence.
If you disagree with the Anti-Defamation League that she's a bigot, then I don't know what to tell you. She supports the idea that no Muslim at all should be able to immigrate to any nation that isn't a Majority Muslim nation. She believes that Obama by holding up his right index finger was using a Radical Muslim hand sign and that he is on his own Jihad to give them power and control. She is a documented bigot. Looking strictly at what I quoted, that is accurate. Criticizing Islam isn't bigotry. But that has little to do with ol' PG, who is without a doubt, a bigot.
ATW, Pam Geller explicitly stated that our President has "Islamic overlords" and is a secret Muslim terrorist. Only right wing nuts and bigots resort to those type of assertions. Geller doesn't deserve any sympathy. In this instance however, the shooters were in the wrong and she was neutral.
The generic statement still stands, regardless of whether she is a nutjob and says loony stuff in addition to saying some correct things. I think it is an article worth reading. The main point is: Two guys tried to murder people because of drawings - because they think their religion told them so. End of discussion, really. Whether anyone present at the exhibition of the drawings said weird, bigoted or whatever stuff is really irrelevant in relation to what these guys tried to do. It doesn't justify or even relativize what they wanted to do and what problem their action represents - especially in context with similar murderous activities all over the globe, based on the same motivation. If anything, their actions prove one point of the people who organized this exhibition, namely that Islam as a political ideology, at the very least at its fringes, represents intolerance and causes violence and murder - which, of course, does, on the flipside, not justify hate against Muslims in general as people, and does not make everything right that anyone at the exhibition said or stands for.
You don't know what a bigot is. Believing Obama has 'Islamic overloads' makes someone alot of things but not a bigot. Stop using the word if you don't know what it means. Just cause you are Islamic , doesn't mean you are above judgement.
Calling Obama a 'secret Muslim' in itself doesn't make one a 'bigot', however it does usually entail that they most likely are. Do you think someone who is willing to call the president having 'Muslim overlords' has many Muslim friends in his or her personal life? Use some common sense tallnover.
Of course not. She probably despises Islam as many do. That doesn't make her a bigot. It makes you someone who thinks Muslims are above judgement for their choices. You choose your belief system, and Gellar, myself, and others will judge you for it. That's not bigotry.
Why should that end the discussion? If the discussion leads to portraying these people as somehow less guilty of a crime, then I can understand where you are coming from. That need not be the case (certainly isn't for me -- right to free speech must be protected against these crazies). Looking beyond this to examine the other issues involved here -- e.g. what are the real consequences of these Draw Muhammed demonstrations, and how should that impact are decisions to engage in it -- is a worthwhile discussion as well. Frankly, to repeatedly insist this is off limits seems like a contradiction in principles on your part.
How about we judge other humans based on individual merit rather than make assumptions about their character because of perceptions. A person who believes that the president is a secret Muslim terrorist is exactly the type of person who sees a brown man with a beard walking down the street and assumes that he has sinister intentions in other words BIGOT. Criticizing Islam which I do on several occasions is different than using fear mongering tactics to isolate and disparage the Muslim American community, a community that has been relatively benign.
its not assumptions. The judgement is off known beliefs. The problem is people thinking because a belief is based in the metaphysical that it is somehow above reproach. its not. Who is making assumptions now? when did she call him a terrorist (not saying she didn't)? relative to who has the Muslim community been benign?
In literally the first link if you know how to Google: I'm sure you'll come back and say she didn't use the word terrorist and how dare someone put words in her mouth. There's no excuse for what those terrorists did this weekend, but that doesn't change the fact that this lady is a grade-A c u n t. Being a c u n t is not an offense worthy of death, however.
So... when did I say a belief is above reproach? In fact, I've probably am more qualified and have explicitly criticized Islam plenty more than you have. You are not getting it. Judge individuals by their own merit. Don't assume their moral positions just because of labels. Just because someone is Christian, I don't assume they believe the Earth is six thousand years old, or that they support slavery.
Do you ask rape victims what they were wearing that night? This "they had it coming" crap is embarrassing. Please stop.
You realize that what you're describing is the literal definition of bigotry? Merriam-Webster: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group). And I'm someone that is bigoted against almost all religions.
