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Sources: Warriors' Curry to be named NBA MVP; Harden runner-up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TesseracT, May 3, 2015.

  1. Obito

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    Couldn't of said it better myself.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    Yeah, but you did a bad job of it based on the examples given. Your knowledge of Harden's role on this team and how he is respected by his teammates, etc. is as lacking as other's knowledge on Curry.

    Also, Curry is cocky, and can be smug. He's not a jerk, or mean, or disrespectful, etc. There's nothing wrong with being cocky. In fact, it's almost a prerequisite to being that good. He's cocky in the same way Harden is cocky. He's a good teammate in the same way Harden is a good teammate.

    Curry won because (i) a true MVP candidate... definitely in the top 2/3, then (ii) best player on best team, and (iii) style. I prefer Harden, but I can be as mesmerized by the Curry/Splash brother style as anyone else. It's beautiful to watch at times....

    BUT... BUT, BUT, BUT... Curry was not as valuable as Harden. That's just a word, though. Even though its in MVP, it's not 100% what MVP means to voters, or people. MVP means whatever the voters want it to mean for a given year... Curry was just less valuable. Played less, had better teammates, had healthy teammates all year, etc... the stats back this up. The eye test backs this up. Math backs this up... and...

    BUT... BUT, BUT, BUT... the Warriors "non-campaign for awards" campaign highlights the ways they are annoying. Everything is "done right"... in an extremely annoying way. Draymond Green is annoying. His mom is annoying. Kerr and the organization's we don't care, but we'll be passive aggressive about it is annoying. Bogut is annoying. And that's all ok, too. That's sports. You WANT your guys to be annoying to other fans... that's generally the sign that you have a good team!
     
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  3. mrm32

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    2014: 24ppg 8.5apg 4.3rpg 47.1%fg 42.4%3p 51-31
    2015: 23.8ppg 7.7apg 4.3rpg 48.7%fg 44.3%3p 67-15

    What is the difference in the two stats above? How do the 2015 stats warrant an MVP trophy? They’re BARELY an improvement. Nearly identical stats and the media wants to convince me that Steph Curry deserves the MVP over James Harden? I don’t think so. He played the same as he did last year. The one key difference: COACHING. Aside from the fact that GSW were already a 50+win team to begin with, what they accomplished isn’t really that impressive to me. All they needed was a new coach to fine tune things which is why I believe Curry shouldn’t have won MVP and the fact that he had one of the healthiest teams this season. Take a way Thompson and/or Bogut for 100+ games this season I promise you they’re sniffing 7th or 8th seed. Best player on the best team argument?

    Best Team MVP
    2014: SA KD
    2013: Miami Lebron*
    2012: SA/Chi Lebron
    2011: Chi Rose*
    2010: Cle Lebron*
    2009: Cle Lebron*
    2008: Boston Kobe
    2007: Dallas Dirk*
    2006: Detroit Nash
    2005: Phx Nash*
    2004: Indiana KG
    2003: SA Duncan*
    2002: Sac Duncan

    Only 7 out of the last 13 MVPs have boasted the best record in the league and I don’t think you could argue that Curry is on any of their levels (except maybe Rose now). That alone shows you how inconsistent the media is with the stupid voting. A popularity contest, that is all that this voting has turned out to be and I’m ok with that because James Harden is the superior player as he has demonstrated all season. 0-4 against the Warriors this season? Who cares? Name me one time during those matchups where the Rockets had a healthy squad. I’ll wait. And let’s not forget the player turnover that they endured this past season. To still come out and have the 3rd best record in the league while missing key started for 100+ games all led by James Harden’s 27.4 ppg 7apg 5.7rpg (all better than Curry). Second in the league in scoring, improved defense, carried the offensive load for a depleted team, top 5 in steals, top 5 in blocks for a guard. I mean you tell me what was more impressive: being the best player on a healthy team or being the best player on an injured team that still managed to achieve a top 3 record?
     
  4. SooneRockStro

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    Yeah seriously, fans of other teams have zero respect for Harden. They all say he is a flopper with no defense. Of course these people know nothing about basketball.
     
  5. shastarocket

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    Harden's biggest mistake was not having a MILF for a mom and not bringing her to every nationally televised game.
     
  6. Deuce

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    I want to give a big congrats to all of the BAY AREA "national media writers" (Ethan Sherwood Stauss, Sam Amick, Marc Spears et all) for their "Step Curry for MVP" articles that were written over the last month (seen in national publications USA Today, ESPN The Magazine etc).

    Your "doubling down" on Steph's "very improved defense narrative" (to set him apart from Harden) has apparently worked. (nevermind he is a product of the GS "team defense" as Bob Voulgaris has said many times.) You did a fine job of pushing YOUR GUY to the national media scribes and as influencers, your narratives combined with "twitter groupthink" clearly has convinced national media sportswriters, FOUR TO ONE, that Curry is most deserving over Harden.

    I disagree.
     
  7. Exiled

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    Rockets campaign for Harden was an embarrassments that fire back .
     
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    Here are the guys who voted for Harden:

    "_ Mike Fratello and Hubie Brown, coaches turned broadcasters, along with longtime Clippers broadcaster Ralph Lawler.
    _ David Aldridge, TurnerSports and NBA.com, along with his NBA.com colleague Fran Blinebury, another grizzled vet.
    _ Brian Windhorst and Israel Gutierrez, ESPN.com.
    _ Chris Broussard, ESPN.
    _ Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated.
    _ Doug Smith, Toronto star, who has covered the Raptors since they joined the NBA.
    _ Jim Paschke, Fox Sports Wisconsin.
    _ Jonathan Feigen, Houston Chronicle.
    _ Mike Crispino, MSG Network.
    _ Ron Boone, former NBA player and current Jazz broadcaster."
     
  9. shakes05

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    Steph Curry is the best shooter ever and deserves the MVP! His crossover is so much better than Harden's!
     
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  10. Liberon

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    When the tough get's going, you gotta admit that Curry doesn't really rattle much at all. He maintains the same composure. I think all those behind the back passes for assists won him the mvp, lol. He does it over and over and over again and make sure the cameras have the angle to catch every moment... Oh well...
     
  11. dandorotik

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    Congrats to the winner- unfortunately, have to do that. But it's all OK- once we meet them in the WCF and the Rockets defense turns Steph Curry into Chicken Curry, we'll have the last laugh.
     
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    I don't care that he won, there both deserving but 100 1st place voted to 25 is insane. That right there shows blatnent disrespect that we've all known follows houston sports. Put that GSW team in Houston and this rockets team in gsw( California media hacks ) and is the outcome the same? Does curry win 100-25.

    I'm just appalled at the voting that is crazy to me. I'm sure when the players vote on these things after the season it will be much different outcome.

    Go rockets go harden let's rock these idiots the only way to change the narrative is too keep winning. The media likes to talk about us not advancing past the 2nd round in 18 years but ask me this? Wtf has gsw done in the last 30? I think maybe been to the playoffs a total of 5 times.

    Iv lived in California and Texas and there's beauty in both states but the entitlement that those ppl have is insane.... Hello California is broke as f*** nobody can find work debt their is real. How's Texas doing? Look at every major city here and their expanding already top 10 cities in Houston and Dallas.

    The hate is real fellas ppl just don't like Texans because we got more jobs more land and more money. Not too mention better looking women.... Okay last part is opinion but we all no it's fact.

    12 more wins fellas 12 more wins
     
  13. BigShasta

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    Congrats NBA Writers for making your job even less relevant thanks to the impeding culture of social media. Fans can now see how and when things are being force-fed and can make decisions based on your flimsy narratives.
     
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    well deserved.

    Curry & Harden were the only two worthy candidates imo.

    But now lets see which one can capture the real trophy, this years NBA championship or the at very least reaching the finals.

    If Curry fails to reach the Finals, I suspect that MVP trophy wont be much consolation.

    Likewise if Harden fails to reach the Finals or even the western conference finals, no one is going to remember or care about his MVP quality regular season performance.
     
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    Someone needs to find out the reasoning behind those voters that put Harden 3rd or 4th.
     
  16. shakes05

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    We should be fearing Jamal Crawford and McHale's bad coaching prior to making proclamations of getting to the next round...
     
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  17. mfastx

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    Thought that Curry would win, hoped that it would be closer with the 1st place votes, thought it should have been.
     
  18. Roxoff

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    Never expected him to win with so much hype about Curry. Same with the whole JJ situation. They need to just rename the awards for what they are, best player on the best team. That's not my definition, but many live by that.

    Keep giving Harden ammo, and he's going to spray 3's.
     
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    The crazy thing is Ethan Sherwood Strauss at least seems to believe that crap about Curry being and ELITE defender.
     

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