So we are gonna ignore the riot thats happening in Baltimore

How did this turn to a debate about Marx?

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Obama's facing yet another racial crisis. The question has to be asked about whether his words have helped stoked these. "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon", talking about his own harassment, not being clean in condemning the Ferguson violent riots, etc.

Obama needs to lead. He hasn't.

 

oh, have you been employing kids in coal mines lately or dissolving unions? haha.

Marx shapes the world you live in, a mixed economy, the child of Marxist critique and the capitalism it has partly reined in.

His critique should also help your view of different events that draw on the profound alientation inequality and the systematic violence required to enforce it produce among different people. Dismissing a tool that can help shed light on what is happening is your call, but again, you'll miss half of the story--especially if you conflate all socio-economic critique with Marxist critique.

 

somebody came in and implied that somebody else was a Marxist for thinking critically.

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It was inevitable, when people try to justify mindless looting and vandalism with a weird class warfare message....Marx comes up.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/nonviolence-as-compliance/391640/

Let's all call for non-violence. Non-violence against all types of folks including and especially the black citizens of Baltimore. And after the riots die down just as they have before after the assassination of MLK, let us not forget our desire for non-violence. Let's allow that forward momentum to move us to make changes to the way police enforce the law against people of color and and other otherwise marginalized groups.

 

well it's inevitable if you're the one who brings him up.

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uh oh

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Obama condemning rioting and criminal behavior is pure optics and gives folks something to talk about, but it has little if any substance.

Ditto for his comments about Trayvon. At the end of the day, those types of comments do not either help or hurt the situation. They are irrelevant.

Do you really think the criminals who are rioting in Baltimore would have put their energy and anger to positive use had Obama implored them not to riot? I do not.

The driver for the anger fueled by recent incidents of police brutality/abuse of power/overreach is that technology (cell phones and video cameras) have allowed questionable police activity to be very transparent.

Leadership is definitely needed, but it should come at the local and state levels through drastically needed police reform. Body cameras are a good start, but so much more needs to happen.

The only way Obama can truly provide leadership is through nationalizing the solution to excessive police violence. His words wouldn't do this. Only creation of targeted policies would. Is that something you really want him doing?

 

There's a huuuuuge difference between Marx and Lenin.

I was definitely guilty of lumping them both together when I was younger.

 

They have a lot in common. They're both commie douchebags whose philosophies have resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of people. Do the nuances really matter given those facts?

 

Do you not think when riots go over board and out of control like this it makes people not want to talk about the police brutality issues

I mean I don't think issues of police brutality is being ignored by the public, espeically in the past year there have been so many lot of viral videos that are universally condemned and caused lot of outrage that were brought to our attention

I'm not sure if riots does anything positive in spreading the message, I mean come on, they are burning down churches and stuff. If people aren't going to talk about police brutality before, they are certainly not talking about it now with all this rioting

 

I'm not going to play the nuanced guilt by association game, or else I'd mention several of the right-wing assholes whose, if not philosophies, then direct actions, led to the deaths of millions.

 

If they don't start talking and making changes about police brutality they're going to get a lot more riots and looting, not less.

People can demonize the rioters and looters all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they are reacting to something. And if that something they are reacting to doesn't change, then everyone needs to expect this behavior to continue, spread and escalate.

We tried saying it nice. We tried protesting. But it seems like the message still hasn't been heard:

Police and the justice system needs to stop locking up people, abusing them, framing them, squeezing them for every cent their worth, putting them in debt prisons and especially needs to stop killing them.

All evidence points to people not being willing to abide that stuff any longer.

But, you all can choose to respond however you want. Just don't be surprised when you double down on your behavior that the people rioting and looting double down on theirs.

 

Ah, this would be the point at which we try to slap the "right wing" label on Hitler and his socialistic, fascistic buddies, correct? Lol...

 

So basically if police don't stop arresting people for breaking the law, people will break the law? Solid argument. I bet society will get right on that.

What you don't seem to understand is that the "message" that you think hasn't been heard actually has been heard and it has been seen (rightfully so) as nothing more than an excuse for looters and rioters to be violent.

 

None of the usual race hucksters in this thread have now or have ever had any interest in discussing police brutality especially as it pertains to minorities. The only reason they're here is because black people on TV are rioting after years of the incredible brutality documented in Baltimore and this violent behavior today reinforces their attitudes on minorities. We know the drill, same crap in Katrina or Ferguson or anywhere else.

None of them gave a damn when they were just protesting so your comment about they're not talking about it now is laughable. It's not like police brutality is a new thing.

 

Nah, more so the Southeast Asian and Latin American death squads, just for starters.

"The goddam Germans ain't got nothing to do with it." -- Sheriff Buford T. Justice

 

All the rioting does is ensure that change won't happen because this behavior reinforces the idea that maybe some people SHOULD be treated more poorly than others.....and this isn't a race issue either, scumbags come in all colors, sizes, and shapes.