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Clinton Foundation to refile taxes after errors emerge

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Apr 23, 2015.

  1. MojoMan

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    As I was commenting on your rhetorical approach. I asked for examples of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments, and requested that if possible these be provided instead of the typical deflection, evasion and personal attacks that many posters on the left distinguish themselves by.

    You responded with deflection and evasion, as you have again above.

    But still nobody has any examples of any significant accomplishments by her, especially when she held the positions of US Senator and Secretary of State, in which roles she would have been well positioned to accomplish significant things, if she had the capacity to do so, which evidence suggests she doesn't.

    So, what has Hillary specifically accomplished in her life that recommends her as the next president of the United States?

    {Crickets}
     
  2. MojoMan

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    The leftist organization Common Cause has called for an audit of the Clinton Foundation. Apparently the stench of corruption from this woman is too much even for some leftists to endure. As we all know, that is no small accomplishment.

    Here is a link to the letter from Common Cause:
     
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    Given that about half the country changed their views on gay marriage over the last 10 years, it seems like a ... weird ... ad to run. It basically would show that she's like most other Americans. It would be especially odd when the GOPer is still likely to have the old outdated view, and is likely to not even touch the subject in a general election.
     
  4. Dubious

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    The only "accomplishment" I can think of in all of American governance over the last 16 years is the ACA, so your bar is really low.
    I couldn't think of any candidate that could run on accomplishments. Experience though, she has it in spades.

    I think when she is elected we can say "first President with a vagina" is an accomplishment in a white christian male dominated landscape.
     
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    You really have an issue with Hillary being female. I don't know if your mommy ignored you at an impressionable age and that has set up a lifetime of hostility or if you were surrounded by domineering women that wouldn't let you pee as a child unless you asked permission... Regardless, it seems to have colored your politics.

    On a side note, Bill Clinton is svelte and in good health. He has trained for 8 years for this moment. You just know "Bill" is going to lock himself in an Arkansas flop house with 3 fat chicks, a kilo of coke and come out a week later with Meth injected in his thigh, in full Slick Willie mold ready for a 6 month bender to campaign for Hillary nonstop to make sure the freedoms loved by Republicans are destroyed.

    It is inevitable MOJO... The cyborg is back, he is getting the band back together and will be back eating pork rinds and fat clams in the Oval Office by 2016.
     
  6. MoonDogg

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    Basso, why don't you address the big hole I punched into your logic in my last post instead of continuing to twist facts?
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    The three examples given (which is what you implied you were looking for by using 3, 4, and 5 as a fill in the blank) were all major, salient accomplishments. I guess you're welcome to perceive graduating from Yale, being elected to the Senate, and serving as Secretary of State as though they don't qualify as "accomplishments," but any one of those three would count as the top accomplishment of a lifetime for more than 99% of the American public. While you are welcome to rely on that perception, you should realize that it is clouded by partisan bias.
     
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    I suggest you look her up on Wikipedia. It has information about her two senate terms, what she did and what bills she supported, and then goes on to describe what she did as Sec of State. It is not hard to do if you are interested.

    I assume her campaign could show how she was pretty bipartisan as a Senator - coming in as a polarising former First Lady, being deferential and gaining trust and support of plenty of republican colleagues, then being more involved in committees and such. She was involved in the responses to all sorts of crises, then ran for Prez, then was Sec of State so they could push all of the leadership and foreign policy experience that comes with. Basically, it would be really hard for an opponent to have more diverse government experience over the last 15 years.

    See, I know all of that just by being alive and then reading a little Wikipedia.
     
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    What is the whole issue of electing the first woman president? We already did that when we elected Barack Obama. :)
     
  11. CometsWin

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    FIFY


    Oh MojoMan... you so funny.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    shifting the goal post.
     
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    You asked for her accomplishments and listed what YOU PERCEIVED as her only 'accomplishments: 1. Uterus 2. Married to Bill.

    Others have have answered. She graduated from Yale Law, was a U.S. Senator and the Secretary of State.

    You are moving the goal post. You would have been taken more seriously if your initial list wasn't ridiculously trollish.
     
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    I guess this is going to be a prevalent theme for any new presidential candidate who is the first of a specific demographic. You will always have trolls such as Mojo always claiming "They won because of their race, religion, gender etc".

    Next up is the first OPENLY non-Christian president. Mojo's ilk will profess the same bs.
     
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    The Senate seat she won solely because she is a woman and she was former President Bill Clinton's wife. The Secretary of State position she obtained as part of a negotiation to withdraw from the presidential race, a race that she was competitive in, once again, because she is a woman and she is former President Bill Clinton's wife.

    Without these two factors, she very likely would not have gotten a single vote in either one of these races.

    Also, what did she do that demonstrated her leadership skills in either of these jobs? Nether she nor anyone who supports her has offered even one noteworthy example of leadership or accomplishment in either of these roles. In fact, she was a place holder as both Senator and Secretary of State. Of course when we talk about accomplishments, just taking the oath of office is not what we are referring to here. We are talking about what she has achieved and what skills she has demonstrated in the process.

    The fact that her university education is one of her primary accomplishments at 69 years old speaks to how weak her list of achievements actually is. Normally, someone would place heavy emphasis on their university education for their first job or two coming out of school, and then their work history would take the lead.

    In an interview for mid-career jobs, they would be asked:
    • What work did you do?
    • What did you accomplish?
    • What specific noteworthy skills did you demonstrate?
    In Hillary's case, crickets. So she graduated from college. That is a big achievement when you are in your 20's and maybe your 30's. But when you are running for President of the United States and that is the best you can do?

    Obviously, it is not because of her accomplishments that she is being supported by so many on the left. She is being supported because she is a woman and she is former President Bill Clinton's wife. Also, the left wants to go with a woman as the Democratic nominee for President; and truth be told, they really do not care very much who that woman is.

    Anyone who votes for this woman because of these reasons is in fact a sexist. Make no mistake about it.
     
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    I would think john kasich could make a better experience argument than anyone currently running.
     
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    Ridiculous argument (re: Clinton's accomplishments... heck what was Reagan's accomplishments to become Governor? Union rep? Movie actor?). But since the Mojoman continues to ask:

    She sponsored or co-sponsored 54 bills that eventually became law. These including writing a section of the No Child Left Behind law addressing recruiting and retaining high-quality teachers; co-authoring a law compelling drug companies to conduct pediatric safety tests on products prescribed for children; working with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) on language in a defense authorization bill giving members of the military access to the Tricare health system even when they aren't deployed; and sponsoring a bill which would mandate more efficient distribution of flu vaccines.

    Her list of bills sponsored or co-sponsored are readily available:

    https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041

    As SOS include opening up Myanmar as the first secretary of state to make an official visit there since 1955, negotiating a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas with the help of Egypt in 2012, and tightening international sanctions on Iran to their highest level ever with nearly a dozen countries significantly reducing their purchases of Iranian oil in 2012.

    btw, the idea of choosing a political rival as a significant cabinet member isn't new... Lincoln chose a "Team of Rivals".

    Heck, you can't even discount her experience as First Lady. She had a significant role in the passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) which expanded health insurance for children in lower-income households. She also had a pivotal role in the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which eased processes allowing the removal of children from abusive situations.

    Clinton also helped to create the Department of Justice's Office on Violence Against Women and used her platform to raise the issue of abuse against women internationally, telling the United Nations' Fourth World Conference on Women in China that, "It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and for the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights."
     
  20. napalm06

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    We'll never know WHY millions of people voted the way they did, for Barack Obama, for George Bush, or for the next president.

    However, we can see the social media reaction when any of these presidents are criticized. And the results seem to suggest that their race/gender are of extreme importance to their supporters. It's obvious, and it's painful.

    And it's an ad hominem strategy against people who don't like said candidates for their actual experience/accomplishments - and it's why everyone is just going to vote for who they want to regardless of how many logical leaps you and I and Mojo try to use.
     

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