Let's talk value... The Texans have spent two 1st round picks on OLB's in the past 3 years. So is spending another 1st round pick on a OLB a value based decision...?
Yes value. And it is like grocery shopping if you think about a complete team and a complete meal. You've got prime rib in Arian Foster why buy a T-bone? You can't serve it until next year when another serving of prime rib will be too expensive and you a don't have any dessert or OLB's for this meal. You spend the money you have now on the dessert because you want to have a complete meal now. We lost Brooks and AJ, those are the holes we need to fill just to remain as complete. OLB/pass rusher is the 4th most important position in football. You (I guess) have a QB, you have a OLT, you have good cornerbacks, you need a good player to play OLB and of right now you don't have one. You also need Clowney to play but that is just a matter of fate, you can't control it.
there's value in being able to cut Foster next year and getting close to his production on a younger/cheaper contract
The present value of a future return is discounted by the time it takes to capture it....basic economics.
Because that prime rib may soon be ground chuck... And plus it's proven that the prime rib you speak of won't be on the dinner table for all 16 meals during a season. :grin:
And that type of thinking is the exact reason why so many in this country are in debt... Spend for today with no concern of tomorrow.
no, that's not what it means at all. here: http://www.investopedia.com/walkthr...me-value-money/present-value-discounting.aspx
or it could be there 2nd 1st round WR in 3 years. I think the first 15 picks will determine what they do. If there is a rush on WRs then there will most likely be a good LB available. If there is a rush on LBs then there will be most likely be a good WR available. Then there is the possibility of Trae Waynes or one of the top two QBs being available. A long shot, but it is possible.
Value is also effected by supply and demand. If you look at Braddock's running backs there are a lot of real good ones, the WR are fairly plentiful but the OLB are in shorter supply.
I was speaking in terms of Gurley... Every fan of a team without a stud QB wants to be like Seattle and win with defense but they always forget that Seattle has a beast at the RB position. Foster and Gurley together could do a lot of damage this upcoming season. But regardless, I doubt they spend a 1st round pick on a WR considering the two veterans they have already brought in. I like Braddock but I just don't agree with passing up on a possibly great AP/LT type running back over a possibly good shot in the dark running back. And McKinney in the 2nd round is a value pick for the Texans because he can play inside and outside LB. And rookie OLB's don't always hit the ground running, especially ones who will need to drop back in coverage.
If Cooper, White, or Parker is available I bet you they take that WR. Speaking of Lynch, who's his backup? Do the seahawks have his replacement already? Nobody and No. What you're missing is not everybody is ready to put Gurley's name in the same sentence as AP and LT. Not to mention that neither AP nor LT have been to the super bowl.
I think the Seahawks value their backups. Turbin and Michael would get a lot more run if not for Lynch.
If Cooper, White, Parker, and Gurley is on the board.... O'Brien would probably take Gurley instead of one of those roll of the dice receivers. They could have got a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round last year who's a better pro prospect than those 3. Are you sure about that...? Just because the Texans wait until starters fall off doesn't mean other teams do the same. It's been reported that the Texans have been wining and dining Gurley and like him a lot (maybe true, maybe not). But, AJ has never been to a super bowl either and none of the receivers you've mentioned are in the same sentence with him so what's your point...??? Didn't they draft Michael in the 2nd round a couple of years back when Lynch was still at a prime age...? Michael may get a little more burn this year to keep Lynch fresh for the playoffs.
All the emphasis has been on the "Big 5" at OLB, but I've started looking a bit at some of the 2nd round guys, and they may need a bit more polish, but I don't think its 5 edge rushers and then a wasteland of talent. Owamagbe Odighizuwa - haven't watched a ton, but apparently he is great in run defense. Think Brooks Reed but with some legit pass rushing skills. Brett Kollmann rates him as his #1 edge rusher in the draft! Danielle Hunter - as good an athlete as any of the top 5 Eli Harold (This year's Virginia team has a linebacking corps that you could plug right into the NFL) Nate Orchard - some people apparently really love this guy - haven't watched much. Lorenzo Mauldin Hau'oli Kikaha Any one of those guys look like they could turn out to be legit edge rushers in the NFL. It's not first round edge rusher or bust. I love Gurley, but if Amari Cooper is there, it would take them about 3 seconds send the name up to the commissioner. But he won't be there. Edit: For grins, below is a physical comparison of the "gold standard" Dante Fowler and Odighizuwa at the combine. They are almost 100% identical, with Odighizuwa being a slight upgrade across the board. Double Edit: The mother****ing "table" HTML tag inserted something like half a page of spaces between each table. I've spoilered it. If anybody smart can tell me how to fix it, please let me know. But seriously look at the numbers - how close they are with a slight advantage to Odighizuwa. Spoiler <html> <table> <colgroup> <col span="2" style="background-color:red"> <col style="background-color:yellow"> </colgroup> <tr> <th>Player</th> <th>Fowler</th> <th>Odighizuwa</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Height</td> <td>6'3"</td> <td>6'3"</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Weight</td> <td>261</td> <td>267</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Arms</td> <td>33.75"</td> <td>33.75"</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Hands</td> <td>9.5"</td> <td>11"</td> </table> <table> <colgroup> <col span="2" style="background-color:green"> <col style="background-color:yellow"> </colgroup> <tr> <td>Physicals</td> <td>Fowler</td> <td>Odighizuwa</td> <tr> <td>40 yd</td> <td>4.6</td> <td>4.62</td> <tr> <td>Bench</td> <td>19</td> <td>25</td> <tr> <td>Vertical</td> <td>32.5"</td> <td>39"</td> <tr> <td>Broad Jump</td> <td>112"</td> <td>127"</td> <tr> <td>3 Cone</td> <td>7.4</td> <td>7.36</td> <tr> <td>20 yd Shuttle/td> <td>4.32</td> <td>4.19</td> <tr> <td>60 yd Shuttle</td> <td>11.89</td> <td>11.75</td> </table> </html>
I don't doubt that they are good players but they weren't picked in the 1st round. Turbin was in the fourth round and Michaels at the end of the 2nd round. Plus you can argue a team like the Seahawks has less holes to fill and can pay more attention to backups and future replacements.
I'm not sure where you're getting your information from. You're convinced that the Texans are in love with Gurley. You do know that he wasn't the only player they "wined and dined", right? Last year they had Andre Johnson and #2 receiver was not a major need. You think Marqise Lee and Cody Latimer are better than Cooper, a heisman runner-up? C'mon man! The Texans have bigger holes to fill than backup/future RB. The Seahawks have a more complete roster yet they didn't pick a RB in the first round. Michael was the 5th RB taken in his draft. My point is that you are treating Gurley like he is a guarantee. He's not. Even if he pans out to be as good as your ridiculous comparisons, it might not greatly improve the team's chances of winning it all. A WR does because as of right now, your 2nd receiver is Cecil Shorts. I think the need for LBs are obvious. I'll be fine with a Gurley pick if they give themselves better options at the other positions.
It isn't about filling holes. If they just want to fill holes, you and I can put on pads and get our asses kicked filling holes. Imagine your two draft options are Walter Peyton or Benny Joppru. Imagine further you have a good, aging running back on the roster who will be gone in a year but absolutely nobody on the roster to play tight end. Would you draft Benny Joppru and his career zero receptions because you need a tight end, or do you get Walter Peyton and his 16,726 dominant career yards, even though you have Arian Foster on the roster for another year. To me, your argument might make more sense if Foster was 22 years old. But it's like when you take a penny to check the tires in your car, and you can see the top of Abe Lincoln's head. It may be fine for now, but it won't be very much longer, and among the parts you have at your disposal, the highest quality/value by far is getting a new set of tires and trying to find a way to patch your A/C system until you can get your hands on quality replacement parts. The team that wins is the team with the most game-changers. Not the team with no holes, but a bunch of Just Another Guy's. You should be building for 2 or 3 years down the road. This team is going nowhere without a real QB. Think long term.
I agree. You take Walter Payton vs Joppru. But what if it's not that simple. What if you have Earl Campbell on your roster and Kailee Wong is your starting LB. You're on the clock do you take Payton or Seau? Let's not act like the other options in the draft are a bunch of Bennie Jopprus. They are very good players and could have greater impact on your team because of the positions your team needs. And don't forget that there are other very good RBs in this draft. Again, let me mess up your analogy. Do you fix your tires that could go another few months now or your brakes that could go out in a week? Your new tires don't mean much if your brakes don't work. Gurley is not the only game-changer in this draft. The offensive rookie of 2014 wasn't even the first taken at his position. You gotta look at the draft as a whole and the team as a whole; not just one player
Yea, Cooper wouldn't be on the board... Gurley may not be either. And who knows, if a top rated offensive lineman falls to them they could go that route. Personally I don't think OLB is as great of a need as others believe it to be. Just need someone to replace Mr Show Up Late To The Play Reed's production.
You can't predict injuries. Bennie Joppru was a great college TE and could have been a great pro too.
