Do the Children of Southern Racists Inherit the Disorder?

But TARIFFS!

 

I'd like to see this statistical evidence if you can provide a link.

It's not really a competition of which region of the country is more racist or anything. But, I'd say it was a rhetorical mistake on your part to come into a bbs based in the south, declare you're from the Midwest, and then proceed to talk down to Southerners. Yes, of course we have problems with racism in the South. And it's not even inappropriate to talk about our problems specifically as Southerners. But don't come in like some hypocritical carpetbagger to start the conversation by setting yourself apart from the get-go. If you really don't think of yourself as a part of the Southern society yet (though you should since you remind me so much of my south Texas, liberal, pro-union father), maybe you should start threads about Midwestern racism.

 

Heard a podcast the other day that talked about the statements that each state made when seceding.

Each one of them cited slavery and most cited white supremacy in some fashion. I haven't read it, but apparently the Texas statement was particularly crappy that way.

EDIT: Here are a few excerpts of the crappiness. Brutally offensive, honestly:

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color--a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law."

"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time."

"That in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding States."

 

I'm told this wasn't very nice. I didn't mean it in any non-nice way, so sorry if I offended, which wasn't my intent. I was really just thinking of the rhetorical approach to the subject and how that impacted the reception. And wondering what the point was of adding this factoid that seems designed to avoid complicity.

 

No digression nor disrespect intended to the religious but this is exactly why I am not. I could never follow a god (small or big g) that would condone such things. Sometimes I think our earthly existence, when thinking of the totality of our sins, is hell.

 

Yes, what a brutally offensive and depressing read. I've always thought that Texas would have been far better off had she followed Sam Houston's advice that should she secede from the United States, that she revert back to being an independent Texas. Joining the Confederacy was an unmitigated disaster. How becoming an independent Texas would have played out with regard to slavery will always be unknown, of course, but the pressure, in my opinion, would have been to phase it out. Powerful nations like Great Britain, who had recognized Texas independence the first go round, had outlawed slavery. I seriously doubt that they would have been so quick to accept a slave owning Texas indefinitely. Public opinion in Britain would have been strongly against it, in my opinion.

 

I understand...and I don't think that's disrespectful at all.

I can't understand how someone can read the words of Jesus...call themselves a follower...and still support something like this.

 

Those mathematical models are racist against the Deep South.

 

It is curious, no doubt.

I am of the understanding, having been raised by a well-meaning Baptist mother....

...that a lot of "Christians" essentially want to have their cake and eat it, too...

..they want the rigidity and penalty of Old Testament "law" meted against anyone who they dislike or oppose (and name as "non-believers")...

...with the compassion and mercy of New Testament perspective towards themselves (as "believers")...

...but, as is often the case with what a person may or may not "read" or have read, as it pertains to the Christian Bible...

...most of that logic is presented to them in sermons by preachers and pastors...strangely not unlike what happens with under or ill-informed Muslim people by their "clerics" and "holy men"...

...and remaining on the ever-popular derivative of "...What Would Jesus Do?..."

Well, if what is reported about Jesus of Nazareth in the canonical Gospels is remotely "true"...we all know very well how he would feel about perverting "...law..." (man's "God-given" right to rule himself and others like-minded) to support ultimately selfish ends.

It is said that Jesus believed that his life was a consummation of what the "Jewish" law was ultimately supposed to represent...so that literal interpretation and recitation of dogma (no matter how old or entrenched in public or private thinking) could not in and of itself justify or rectify any of the many ills that routinely befall men by much of their own complicity.

"Divine order"...to try to move back to something the OP touches on...was never intended in any way to subjugate on people or groups of people in any way...and any biblical references to that effect are just the very simple matter of human nature seeking to justify its surrender to its basest desires to its equally powerful ability to think and act beyond instinct (fear, anger, greed, etc)...

...but like a lot of things in this world...it seems more than a few people are willing to ask or expect "God" or Jesus or Allah to co-sign on a bad check...

...and wonder about the fits it causes when s/he/it doesn't...

 

Let's be clear

1. no one is born Racist
2. If you a born into a Racist Family chances are higher you will be racist.
3. If you are born into a Racist family you are guaranteed to be racist
4. Racism is a learned illness/disorder

period

Pretty Simple.

Problem with a Racist world view is you constantly seek things that reenforce it
and ignore things that disprove it.

IMO, Everyone is a little racist . . . well .. . prejudice
This is a bit of a natural coping/survival mechanism
What seperate man from beast is the ability to analyze and determine which is real, imagines or just useful.

Rocket River

 

Well said.

btw ... my grandmother is a Jewish Turkish , so label me as antizionest instead

 

Haha I don't know, the watered down version of Texas History we learned in school conveniently leaves out that a huge reason why we seceded from Mexico is that they outlawed slavery.

 

LOLs @ "disorder." :grin:

Now you're going to find some... "medicine" for it... huh?

RACIST is bad, mmkay?

 

I think your on to something. Blaming the victims of racism for racism is a great tactic.

 

What is your strict definition of racist? I grew up with some kids (60s and 70s) whose parents were racist to the point where they would not let them play/associate with black kids. The kids I grew up with don't appear to have a racist bone in their body.

 

Lol. I'm stealing this from you.

Dance clown, dance!

 

Why do we still have the electoral college? The institution largely was established to give electoral power to slave holding states. The 1787 compromise counted slaves as 3/5 and based presidential votes on census numbers. Been near 150 years since the war ended. What other purpose did it serve?