I watched this last night also. It was good entertainment, but I certainly wouldn't call it educational or intelligent. While I could pick it apart all day with plot holes (like the paradox), I accept its suppose to be cheap entertainment. What I didn't care for was the unnecessary drama. The whole Dr Mann drama was a complete waste of screen time and that part of the story could have been filled with something much more interesting. Tom Coopers drama also felt very forced, especially at the end.
i don't know if it was supposed to be educational or intelligent. its just more informed with regards to the science. outside of actually entering the black hole and surviving..a lot of the science was grounded in real physics. i can see your point on the drama...but then again the movie needed something right? otherwise it might have been a snore fest. i just give props for nolan basically making something interesting/original. so many remakes/reboots/comic movies out these days...at least its something a little more fresh.
I've watched and read a ton of interviews with Kip Thorne , and you're right. They made it a point to ground nearly every aspect of the movie in plausible science. He was a producer of the movie, and literally wrote the book on black holes... he also generated the math that they plugged into the CGI to get the look of both the black hole and wormhole. I've watched the movie about 10 times so far, including last night - and I can't get enough of it. The "bonus" feature that came with my download, "The Science of Interstellar" is a must-watch for those actually interested in the science. Also some good links - Interview with Nolan and Thorne: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9tUFJG0lWA MIT Panel Discussion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQtXf8SICdA Neil Degrasse Tyson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7tV7v71k-I BONUS: The Interstellar Soundtrack featurette - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_8t2VlwK4w
I guess I am too much of a simpleton and genuinely enjoyed the movie to a point where It's one of my all time favorites. Is it just me, but could any ****wit break down any movie like the that and create a perception that it was a bad movie?
Pretty much all of the "points" made in that trailer were lame, which isn't surprising for a parody. You could pick apart a lot of the things. Thorne and the Nolan brothers did their due diligence. Spoiler The losing of the crops was due to overpopulation, which caused over farming, which lead to a massive dust bowl - which has happened before, and is even happening now in some regions of the world. The folding of a piece of paper to describe a worm hole has been around for decades, as it is one of the easiest and most clear ways of explaining them. The same goes for a singularity being the pearl and the black hole being the clam. Go figure, they need to explain things in a way that people without a degree in astrophysics can understand. The "bookshelf" knock completely misses the fact that Cooper explains what it is. Their future selves, created the tesseract to allow them pass through time using the 5th dimension (gravity). We have no idea when or how this was created, but the fact that gravity allows them to traverse physical dimensions allows them to change the past - but communicating with them. Dr. Mann not knowing how to work an airlock wouldn't be uncommon. He trained for a one-way trip that wouldn't require knowing how an airlock worked. He was sent to a planet to die, and/or be rescued ONLY if it was a viable alternative to earth. Cooper also didn't know how to pilot perform the airlock, that is why it was Doyle's job to perform airlock captures. When he died, TARS did it. Mann was also delusional after being on his own for nearly 35 years. Go figure. And finally, when old Murph arrives and tells him to go away - it had been weeks. The doctor said that she was in cryo-sleep for years, and then it would take her "weeks" to make it to Cooper station near Saturn. They didn't say exactly how long it had been. Cooper said "we're explorers" like 5 times in the film, so now without his kids - of course he was going to explore. Pretty much the only thing that was "iffy" was Cooper coming out of the black hole alive - but, the construction of the tesseract may have allowed for that. We do not know.
Saw it this weekend, thought it was pretty awesome. Couldnt believe it was almost 3 hours long I usually get fidgety on long movies but this one kept me hooked the whole way in.
Yeah, most of the science is pretty good, they are far too advanced for us but they are theoretically possible. Except: Spoiler 1) How did their ships take off from the the planets Miller and Mann? They needed a huge rocket to blast off from Earth and gravity was one of main theme of the movie, yet they forgot about it when they went to those places. 2) The ending made us believe Cooper will find a young Brand and live happily ever after. That may not be realistic. When Coop and Brand separated, they were close in age. Coop went into the black hole and slowed his aging while everyone else, people from Earth and Brand on Edmunds aged several decades. Brand was probably 30 yrs older than Coop at that time.
Your second point is one that I was trying to understand after the movie I'll spoiler my thoughts Spoiler When he is saved they said something about being 123 or something right. So that would be the 40 or so years old he was on Earth plus the 3 years of travel plus the 23 on Miller's planet plus the 51 years going around the black hole. If so that would put him around 115-120, so does that mean his time spent in the black hole was only a few years if even that? If so then him and Brand should be around the same age.
In response to 1) Spoiler Mann's planet only had 80% of the gravitational pull of Earth, so I think escaping that atmosphere would have been easier. As far as Miller's, hers had a higher gravity but Gargantua was close to the planet, so it was actually pulling them towards the black hole which could make it easier to leave the atmosphere once you got up into the stratosphere. When they left earth they also had tons of equipment that would have been transferred from the Ranger to the Endurance (including all of the embryos). When they went down to the planet surfaces they would have offloaded everything but essential gear from the Ranger(s) to insure that they didn't burn more than the needed fuel. In response to 2) Spoiler Actually, Coop didn't age in the black hole - Brand and Coop aged together as they road the event horizon of Gargantua, as it "sling shot" Brand to Edmunds' planet since they were low on fuel. TARS and Coop detached due to Newton's 3rd law... without them doing so, Brand wouldn't have had enough momentum to exit Gargantua's gravitational pull. Now Coop may have aged a bit as he fell into Gargantua, but remember he was also older than Brand. I think they'd be about the same age once Coop made it back, if he made it back. I think he left because he was an "explorer" more than because he wanted to be with Brand. Agreed, see my point 2 above.
Yeah that's pretty much the point. It seems like honest trailers does that with nearly every popular film regardless of whether they actually like the movie. I loved the movie and I thought the mock trailer was hilarious.
Spoiler 1) a) Even if planet Mann had 80% of Earth's gravity and the payload was smaller, it still needed a sizable rocket to blast off the planet. There was no way a space ship could carry enough fuel in its own tank to go into orbit, it would have been too heavy for itself, hence the detachable rockets. b) It was true that planet Miller was closer to the black hole and it may have pulled them off the planet. Then the question became: how did they get away from that black hole? 2) Cooper and Brand aged together all the way until they separated. After Coop left Brand, he did not age much. It was Brand who should have aged a lot. She went to Edmunds which was not close to a black hole so she should have experienced close to the aging process as Coop's daughter Murph. She should have been an old woman also.
Spoiler I thought she would only increase her rate of aging if she was actually in the orbit of that planet? We didn't really see how long she was on that planet.
^^ for your second point... Spoiler the distance to Edmunds planet was not that far. Remember them debating which planet to pick when they only had enough fuel for one more trip? The daughter aged all those years when both Cooper and Brand went around the black hole (51 years I think). So for Brand to get to Edmunds planet/start plan B was probably only a few years tops.
Spoiler These numbers are approximate so if you can fill them in more precisely, please do: My estimate: Time a) At the time Cooper and Brand separated, Cooper was 40 year old, Murph was 40 year old (Murph said they were at the same age at one point before that). Brand was younger, let's say 30 year old. Time b) Cooper did not age much going into the black hole. Murph and Brand aged about the same rate. Time c) When Coop met his daughter, Coop was 40+ yr old, Murph was 92. Brand should be close to 82 wherever she was at. After that Coop and Brand should age at the same rate.
Spoiler When Cooper and Brand separated (right before he goes into the black hole)...Murph had already aged to 92, Cooper and Brand both were same age let's say 45-35....so the timeline of them two aging is however much Cooper aged going into the blackhole (which by the movie's timeline isn't that long if he is "123" he is when he's found orbiting Saturn) vs. Brand's aging in the trip to Edmunds planet+her time being there (which should be probably comparable to Coopers aging if not just varied by a few years.
sorry for double post accidently hit post Spoiler Remember that Cooper slingshotting them around the blackhole was the only way to get Brand to the last planet...and that took them 51 years in real time to accomplish...so by that time everyone else had significantly aged except for them.
Spoiler When Cooper and Brand separated, Murph was still young and people did not know how to get off Earth yet. Cooper went into the black hole/ tesseract to send message back to Murph to teach her how to solve the equation and build the massive space stations and get human off the earth. Coop went into the the black hole, Brand did not. Brand should have aged normally.
