Iran: No deal reached, only framework; Iran can still enrich

First, Iran possesses what is likely the most capable military the United States has faced in decades. Iran is no Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Serbia, Afghanistan or Iraq. In all of these examples, the U.S. military defeated an adversary incapable of competing with superior American land, naval, and air forces. The Iranian military is far more competent and capable, and after watching the war in Iraq for a decade has a good understanding of U.S. tactics and strategy.

For example, Iran's regular navy is adept at littoral combat and may be capable of closing the Strait of Hormuz for sufficient duration to wreak economic havoc. The recent naval exercises by the Iranian navy illustrate a clear strategy that would seek to close the strait while attempting to sink American combat vessels that enter the area. This would result in a significant loss of commercial shipping and cause the price of oil to skyrocket.

If it comes to war, the proliferation of advanced air defense systems to countries like Iran may give it one of the best integrated anti-aircraft defense systems the United States faces in combat. They may be capable of inflicting casualties on American airpower not seen since Vietnam. And with a declining bomber force, losses could be unacceptable.

Unlike Iraq, Iran’s regular Army and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps won’t lay down their arms at the first sight of U.S. ground troops. They, more than any other element of the regime, watched Afghanistan and Iraq for lessons on how to defeat the Americans.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/09/five-reasons-not-to-attack-iran/

 

Maybe you are willing to suspend disbelief and buy in that a president who campaigned on cutting bait and running away in Iraq and took credit for it as a personal accomplishment once it was done REALLY tried to keep troops there to keep the country stable, but not everyone can or is willing to do that.

The mess wasn't caused by the invasion, it was caused by the premature withdrawal. If you can't see that then we might as well not continue because it's a pretty obvious and fundamental truth. The problem wasn't that the Baath party was gone, it was that there wasn't a new structure that was strong enough to support the country in place before we abandoned them creating a vacuum of power.

 

You greatly overrate Iran's capabilities and greatly underrate the abilities of the US military. There would be casualties obviously, but the Iranian conventional military might survive 2 months if the US really wanted to crush them. I'm sure they'd be able to keep putting up a resistance using non-conventional tactics for a long time, but Iran's actual military would be decimated really quickly.

 

Oh good lord.

Forget fchowd0311; there's no sense in trying to be rational with brain dead freaks like this. They have their own altered reality that cannot be changed.

 

I'll-take-word-of-a-professor-at-a-USAF-university-over-Bobby-the-keyboard-warlord.

 

Again, you are basically blaming the 'clean up crew'. Your assertions would hold some water if the massive civil war that resulted from the invasion didn't occur before U.S. troops left in 2011.

And I've stated before that Obama was pretty damn disingenuous about his "I ended the Iraq war" rhetoric.

 

Your selective blindness is just amazing. The fact is there never should have been troops to withdraw from Iraq because the U.S. never should have invaded in the first place. That is the bottom line. Deny and ignore all you want.

 

I'll give Bobby some credit. He is one adamant individual. Even Fox News has backed away from the "Iraq invasion was a good call" rhetoric.

 

bobbythegreat:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Do-It-Yourself-Lobotomy/dp/0471417424

 

Can't give Bobby the great credit. Right-wing-nut-jobs have a lien on his brain.

 

Regime Change doesn't work. It didn't work in Iraq. It hasn't worked in Libya. It's problematic in places everywhere it's been attempted. It just creates a mess.

The devil you know is often better than the devil you don't.

The Iranians are not stupid. Their goal isn't to blow-up Israel it's to become a dominant force in ME politics. They want influence. The reformers cater to the hardliners and balance their backwardness with a desire to move forward. Iran just like the U.S. is not a monolithic entity people make it out to be.

War with Iran would sink us into another economic recession and for what - to open the region to even more chaos? The war in Iraq only served to destabilize the region and allow for extremists to gain power. War with Iran would destabilize the country and produce more extremists for us to have to fight across the world. You'd not only have the ISIS/Al Qaeda folks, you'd now add a new radical terrorist group based on Shia committed to attacking u.s. interests. It would be a colossal mistake.

Insanity is repeating the same mistake over and over. Stop being insane.

Do not do this:

 

Bobbythegreat drinking U.S. extremist Kool-Aid. Got Montezuma's Revenge.

 

That's fair, since we can't agree on very basic, fundamental facts, I'll leave this thread to the crazies. Have fun kids.

 

Just Iran having a nuclear weapon (even without the intention to actually use it) is unacceptable. For lots of reasons.

I actually agree they probably just wanted influence and wouldn't use it on Israel because as nutty as the thugs are, they don't want to be mass exterminated.

 

People act like enriching uranium is some crazy crime. You need to enrich to 3-5% to do much with nuclear power. Weapons grade requires 90% enrichment. Do people understand that?

 

Have to admit propaganda panda was pretty funny lol

 

You ignore basic facts, call everyone "kids" and run away because you cannot deny a clear, obvious statement.

You lost and would rather act ignorant than admit it. being wrong.

 

Bobby Hammurabi makes it easy.

 

As Nuclear Talks Near A Deal, Israel Threatens To Bomb Iran



http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015...r-talks-near-deal-israel-threatens-bomb-iran/

 

Someone needs to tell Cheney Jr to shut up and sit down or the US will stop paying for his military.