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Stanford just made tuition free for families earning less than $125,000 per year

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  1. Haymitch

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    Lifehack: get a job at Rice University (any job - maintenance, cafeteria worker, anything) and if your kid is accepted then they get free tuition.

    Rice also offers free tuition to children of employees to Trinity University and Austin College. I know a guy who quit his decent job to work overnight shifts at Rice for $11/hour and send his two sons to those colleges tuition free.
     
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    What does this have to do with, as you call it, "the racist policies of using skin color as a factor." In the statement from Stanford, I don't recall the university mentioning race as a factor. However, you have. Please explain why. Thanks in advance.
     
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    My thoughts are why you couldn't start this thread off without race baiting... And do you actually no why affirmative action had to be implemented. Unless you agree with people being discriminated against because of their skin color.

    That's the way it should be.
     
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    Race dominates your thoughts.
     
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    1. "Dumb math tests" to you, but I can see how its relevant to the coursework at top institutions, particularly in STEM majors.
    2. Standardized tests are objective in nature. Having a measurable "color-blind" metric is the most fair, no?

    Yeah screw the NBA and NFL for looking at 40-times and 40 inch verticals.

    Screw data and statistics. They should have minimum requirements of atleast one Asian player and 3 white players on each NBA roster.
     
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    1. This is a brilliant example, thank you for bringing it up

      When NBA teams draft, do they just take the players that have the highest PPG-APG-RPG in college?

      Or do they consider other factors?
     
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    Sure they take in other factors, like how colleges are justified in taking into consideration extracurricular activities, leadership experience, etc; something that differentiates and sets them apart from the rest.

    What aspect they SHOULDN'T consider is skin color.

    How do you feel about the NBA having a minimum number of Asian and White players on team rosters? Is that racist?

    PS: I don't buy the "diversification" argument of how college campuses experience increased utility by implementing Affirmative Action.

    At least, in that the positives don't outweigh costs in excluding those more qualified. Having token Asian and White players on each NBA squad would bring just as much more cultural diversification to the locker room as well.
     
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    So bascally what you're saying is that relying on one metric alone is terrible - I completely agree. Using a single test on the grounds that it's "merit" whereas everything else is not is silly.

    Do you think the Rockets considered race in additon to other factors when they drafted Yao Ming and signed Jeremy Lin?

    How about the Bucks when they drafted Yi Jianlian?
     
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    You're only assuming they're more qualified... Unless you have concrete information to back that up.
     
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    Thanks for informing me about that.

    Crazy what I was reading on the Harvard site. It almost looks like their prices are inflated massively due to grants. 65% of students received a grant that averaged over $46,000 last year. I think I read that correctly on their site.
     
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    Sam needs to lead an annual CF.net Haters Ball. I don't think anything is ever good enough for him lol.
     
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    In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, in their book No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal, examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100.

    After controlling for grades, test scores, family background (legacy status), and athletic status (whether or not the student was a recruited athlete), Espenshade and Radford found that whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian Americans.

    http://www.boston.com/news/educatio..._americans_are_being_shut_out_of_top_schools/
     
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    Such a boring topic. We wouldn't have affirmative action if educational opportunities for all children were addressed at the primary and secondary levels. Kids that have a lot of support early do better than their counterparts and from that point forward get the best opportunities available to them and their peers. That has a dramatic cumulative effect by the time the senior year of high school comes around. Then consider the kids from one school district to another, the huge variances in the quality of education and opportunities that kids receive. Then after a decade of an unfair playing field for many students you want to just have a test and see who's in the science club to determine which students are most qualified? It's like giving someone a Ferrari and another person a Corolla and determining the best driver by who wins the race.

    Snoopy if you think black and hispanic kids are inherently dumber then come out and say so. Don't hide behind statistics. Tell us all why blacks and hispanics score more poorly. Explain it and provide a solution rather than simply posting angry, race hustling threads about affirmative action without addressing the underlying problem. At this point your position seems to be that you don't give a damn about the rest of those kids, you just want to make sure Asians aren't affected. Grow up.
     
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    No, I just don't think its fair.

    Affirmative Action actually benefits middle- and upper-class African Americans and Hispanic Americans at the expense of lower-class White Americans and Asian Americans.
     
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    What if the income is $125,001... then it's back to paying for everything 100%?

    Something seems fishy there...
     
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    What if the legacy of America has been income based on ethnicity?

    http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

    VIII. “Negro Poverty is not White Poverty”

     
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    They should have to pay something- school has to pay professors, workers- make it low-cost, or allow a loan system, but not totally free. Junior college, yes - college, no. Or, if it's free, they have to keep a B or above average- otherwise, you get a bunch of lazy idiots who don't deserve to be in college.
     
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    It's already been done in certain states. Like the UC system has essentially been an income-based affirmative action program for a decade because they legally cannot ask for or consider the race of applicants. Certain people just don't like the results.
     
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