Video Footage Shows Dallas Police Fatally Shooting Mentally Ill Man

What's interesting about this video is the cop pulled up on a civilian who had his gun held on another civilian and never thought about pulling his weapon nor did it look like he told the civilian with the gun to lower his weapon. Doesn't look like he was concerned about his safety at all.

Or maybe the cop knew the guy... I didn't watch the entire video.

 

been reading this thread and the usual suspects use legal gymnastics and semantics with words like deadly weapon and justifiable. these cops went to the lethal option so fast and that's what got the poor guy killed. it's like getting into a bar fight with someone but instead of throwin a few punches or your beer bottle at the guy you automatically shoot him. yeah a guy punching you in the head can kill you but you need to gradually escalate.

idk what the point of a club and taser and pepper spray is because just too easy for cops to shoot. and the way they just stand and talk like the weather about him bleeding to death and being alive.. man they got no feeling or something.

that a mad dog? shoot.
that person walking too fast toward me? shoot.
that a balloon in the sky and it painted red? i hate the color red. shoot.

 

Law doesn't say a person has to gradually increase anything on the use of force continuum.

The cops went to lethal so fast because.............a man had a lethal weapon coming toward them. HE chose to hold a screw driver and was therefore in charge of his OWN fate.

Intermediate weapons are for unarmed, uncooperative suspects. No citizen has to meet fists with fists. You don't have to match the use of force. If you're wanting to get out of the fight alive, you overcome the force being brought to the table.

 

Next time you have a pen or a pair of clippers in your hands and a cop is around, I hope for your sake they don't freak out and pull their gun on you and pull the trigger. But if they do, oh well, I guess that's what you get for carrying a lethal weapon. I mean, you could take that pen and stick it through someone's eye, so that cop has a right to defend themselves.

 

If for some reason I charged a cop while holding a pen is a threatening manner, I wouldn't be surprised when I'm shot.

But the question which should be asked is, why the hell are you charging someone who's holding a gun while you have a sharp object?

Just as in this case, as with other cases, no one wants to question why the suspect didn't cooperate (act rational), but is QUICK to point out why the cops are wrong.

 

No one? The Police got a call about a mentally unstable man.

A mentally unstable man who is "Schizo". Information gathered by the officers from his mother. You want that guy to act rational?

I know dogs with better situaltional awareness. Just stop. You are only lowering the bar of expectation for which you were hired. No wonder you guys get paid so little.

 

So are they supposed to not respond to the call? Sad reality - The man's mental state led to his demise.

And my financial situation is fine. I may actually eclipse 6 digits this year. Not all departments are the same.

 

look, if the mentally unstable man would just act rationally, the problem would be solved. it's so obvious.

 

So the officer's safety should be compromised because the man may have mental issues?

 

The officers could have used better judgment. Was lethal force really the only option?

 

ridiculous! this is why all detainees are only given a crayon to fill out forms and sign papers with inside a police station. pens and pencils are sharp and dangerous. Why would the entire police department needlessly risk their lives?

 

No but it was a lawful decision.

The officers, or anyone for that matter, doesn't have to wait until the screw driver is sticking out of their neck to use deadly force.


This situation is terrible because of his mental state. He may have just been trying to run past the officers or wanted to go stand by his mother. He may have not even realized he was holding a screw driver. But like I said earlier in the thread, you don't have to wait to see what someone is going to do with the weapon (a screw driver is a deadly weapon - every court in the land would agree) before you use deadly force. I'll never disagree that this situation is terrible and I hope I'm never in a situation with a mental patient who may not even know what is going on. I have been in some situations with mental patients, but none like this.

Sure, they could have used a taser. I can't emphasize how bad this situation just SUCKS AND SUCKS. But police training will always train to use deadly force when a weapon is involved; Altered mental state or not.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ng-the-wrong-question-about-police-shootings/

 

I hate to bring this back up but I'm going to. Here is the full raw footage of the event. Make sure to listen to all discussions. Graphic

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Well the guy had a history of threatening people with stabbing weapons, I don't know how much the officers knew about that, but the paramedic seemed to know an awful lot about the guy. If the officers knew ahead of time that the guy was potentially dangerous and had a history of threatening people with stabbing weapons it changes things significantly.

 

Thanks for the rep Anas.

Thanks for the well wish of me incurring a deadly disease because I called out your lack of courage which I still believe you don't have.

 

The day shooting at someone who's coming toward me with a weapon in his hand, whose been told to stop, while a gun is pointing at him, I need to find another line of business.

It shall be noted that just because something is against policy does not mean it's against the law. Our policy says we shouldn't hit people with flash lights, but it happens. And when it happens it isn't illegal.

That article was so liberal biased I could barely reach the end.

I'd like to know what you're supposed to say to a man with a screw driver, who starts walking toward you within two seconds of meeting him face to face?

The author doesn't make any real suggestions. He mentions that the problem is with police leadership. You can't legislate what happens during quick evolving, dynamic situations. If officers are waiting until the last possible second to do something against an attack, officers will be getting hurt. There's nothing more to legislate. When an actor comes at you with a deadly weapon, deadly force will always be permitted.

 

Refine your process and keep pushing forward.

 

idk if akuna matata is a cop, but the ones ive known don't make 6 figs or anywhere close to it. their also a lot more people smart and not so robotic and technically right as these guys. what i mean is, these two got a call about a schizo person by the guy's mom. she comes out and she acts normal and not in hysteria. her body language is at ease. they ask who he is. oh, this my son, she says calmly.

a people smart cop would've been at ease analyzing all this. a robotic terminator cop would immediately scan the person and see the screwdriver and say alert alert danger. within 4 seconds they unleash a storm of bullets without backing away. target eliminated. a cousin is a cop and he was attacked by a dude with a broken glass bottle from very close. he legally could've shot the guy dead but he used his taser.

 

Well if you were holding a pen and walking down the street and maybe the cop felt threatened by you with that pen out. Pulls out his gun, and you are like "wait, what's going on?" and bam! Too late. You're dead.

Why didn't you immediately drop the pen in 1.5 seconds like you were suppose to?