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Cosart/Hernadez/Wates Trade

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by juicystream, Jul 31, 2014.

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Do you like the return for Cosart/Hernandez/Wates?

Poll closed Aug 30, 2014.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Nick

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    They have 6 starting pitching candidates now (with Jose Fernandez coming back)... and that's before possibly acquiring Haren.

    I think he's referring more to that.
     
  2. sealclubber1016

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    Keith Law has been fairly persistent in stating his belief that Cosart will end up in the bullpen.

    I honestly don't see it. I think he succeeds as a starter or fails. While his stuff "looks" good, in reality he pitches to contact. Never has been able to generate swings and misses, and he walks guys, which is typically not a winning formula for a reliever. It's not a good formula for anybody really, but particularly for a guy only pitching one inning.

    As a starter there is no pressing need to slam the door every inning, so that style works better.
     
  3. Joe Joe

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    His strikeout rate drops a lot as the game goes on. Based on his first inning of work, I would expect his strikeout rate as a reliever to be around 20%. Walk rate is pretty constant. He does give up weak contact. Does not measure out as a closer, but would be a good reliever in my book. That said, he's still probably more valuable to most teams as a 5th starter at least.
     
  4. MadMax

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    don't forget his early twitter fiasco's
     
  7. sealclubber1016

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    If Cosart can pitch well none of this will matter, but he has PR nightmare written all over him.
     
  8. TimPoopura

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    I've always thought Bo Porter was complicit in the whole Appel thing, too.

    It seemed clear last year that certain guys within the clubhouse more concerned about their own reputations, or something like that, than they were with the overall success of the organization.
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    And it sure seemed that the majority of the local media took those certain guys' sides.
     
  10. studogg

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    It felt like a situation where Porter knew he was gone and was trying to save face as a person who defends his players. That sort of thing can go a long ways in a players eyes and Porter may be afforded the opportunity to coach again - so I don't really blame him.

    That said, I do agree. He threw mgmt under the bus to catch his "guys" backs
     
  11. rocketpower2

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    He'll be banned for life if they can find proof.
     
  12. juicystream

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    I don't see any reason to believe he bet on baseball.
     
  13. sealclubber1016

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    I don't think so either.

    You wouldn't think anybody could possibly be that stupid, but people always manage to surprise you.
     
  14. bobloblaw

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    Yeah, I can definitely see Cosart sending an incriminating tweet like this.

    Luhnow is wise for dumping him.
     
  15. RockFanFirst

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    Nice of the Miami paper to put a pic of Cosart in an Astros uni in the article
     
  16. FishBulb913

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    I can, knowing the dudes he hangs out with. They are all degenerate gamblers, one of them even a bookie.
     
  17. joeson332

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    Now Cosart will be banned from the Hall lof Fame....gotdammit
     
  18. juicystream

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    That doesn't mean he bets on baseball.

    There are plenty of other things to bet on that aren't baseball, including March Madness going on right now.
     
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    There are a number of reasons that he looks guilty

    1. He immediately deleted his Twitter account
    2. He said that more messages are likely to appear
    3. He said he has never bet "on baseball" and never will
    4. He said he does not have a gambling problem
    5. The MLB is investigating it

    Basically--it's clear he does have a gambling problem. The question is whether or not he bet on baseball (particularly Marlins games). If he didn't bet on baseball I kinda doubt he would've gone on the defensive in this manner. Can MLB prevent players from gambling on other sports? I assume they could include it in a conduct policy. Who knows? Maybe he's lucky he was busted before the season began. I wish he had bet on Spring Training games. This is amusing.
     
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    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>MLB fines Jarred Cosart for placing bets, said it didn’t find evidence of betting on baseball <a href="http://t.co/5Itbi6rldr">http://t.co/5Itbi6rldr</a></p>&mdash; ChronAstros (@ChronAstros) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChronAstros/status/584101966378217473">April 3, 2015</a></blockquote>
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