Netanyahu's Likud sinks to new lows in Israeli polls

Good lord, I have plenty of problems with the Obama administration too, but statements like this are just beyond absurd. Worst president in history? Try opening up a history book instead of a bible for once in your life.

 

Phone calls... *****ing phone calls! Obama has to literally bend his knees to Bibi's **** for people like ATW to be satisfied with Obama's 'treatment' of Israel.

 

Seriously, it's as if the right wing deems Bibi as the grand emperor and Obama is a lord who must swear fealty to his holiness or be deemed a traitor.

 

I guess even if some people shed some of the shackles of their ideology, the anti-Israel bias they have been brought up with stays strong.

 

STFU. Never in my entire life have my parents ever mentioned anything about Israel or Jews and whether they are people I should hate or like.

Israel not being infallible does not entail 'anti-Israel'.

Please provide specific objective data that suggests that Obama's policies are 'anti-Israel' besides not ****ing calling Bibi (even though he just did).

If a head of state of a foreign nation states a policy that goes against the interest of this current president and EVERY other damn president in recent history(two-state solution) is the president unable to criticize?

This has nothing to do with Islam. Stay out of my personal life and provide objective assertions.

 

I was not necessarily referring to your parents, but to what is taught in mosques and is generally mainstream in the Muslim world. I have spent enough time there to know how Israel is depicted in their media.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/19/obamas-revenge-against-israel/

Obama’s revenge against Israel

President Obama is angry with Israeli voters for re-electing Benjamin Netanyahu, and he’s willing to risk the lives and security of Israeli citizens to show it.

The State Department is reportedly considering reversing the decades-long policy of protecting Israel’s security at the United Nations and is threatening to allow the Security Council to compel Israel to enter forced negotiations with Hamas-controlled Palestine.

This action would be reckless—and shameful. At a time when anti-Semitic attacks are rocking Europe, and the need for a secure, Jewish state has rarely been more apparent, the Obama administration would force Israel to negotiate with entities that have sworn to wipe it off the map.

The unity government between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas is a sham. Hamas is controlling Gaza and would likely control all Palestinian territories if the Palestinian Authority would permit a vote. Even if Israel were forced to deal with the Palestinian Authority, this deal would have no impact on Hamas—and it may even enhance Hamas’s power.

In my book, "The Rise of ISIS: A Threat We Can’t Ignore," we discuss in detail what Hamas believes and examine their long-standing promise to destroy Israel.

The Hamas Charter is clear.

The Preamble for the Palestinian offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood states, “Our battle with the Jews is long and dangerous, requiring all dedicated efforts.”

The Charter continues with Hamas’s stated motto in Articles 5 and 8: “Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model to be followed, the Koran its constitution, Jihad its way, and death for the sake of Allah its loftiest desire.”

The Charter calls the presence of Israel a “Zionist invasion,” stating, “Israel will exist, and will continue to exist, until Islam abolishes it.”

It therefore pledges to wage “jihad in the face of the oppressors, in order to deliver the land and the believers from their filth, impurity, and evil” in order to “[return the homeland to its rightful owner] and “to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine” no matter how long it takes.

If the United States does not block this at the United Nations, the international community will support the aggressors in this conflict.

Hamas does not want “peace” with Israel, and it will not negotiate a permanent peace agreement with Israel. Its Charter states that “so-called peace solutions” and “conferences are nothing but a way to give the infidels power of arbitration over Muslim land.”

How does Hamas hope to eliminate Israel and Jewish people from the face of the earth? The answer is again resoundingly clear in the Preamble. Hamas commits to “join arms with all those who wage jihad for the liberation of Palestine. [O]ur fight with the Jews is very extensive and very grave, and it requires all the sincere efforts […] until the enemies are defeated and Allah’s victory is revealed.”

This compelled negotiation could mean a divided Jerusalem, potentially the holy sites we visit under the control of Hamas. This would force Israel to negotiate with people whose clear goal is their eradication and destruction.

It is going to take dramatic bipartisan political pressure from Congress to force the Obama administration to reverse course and do the right thing. This president will not do it on his own.

We can stand up for Israel and defeat the anti-Israel movement at the U.N. and the International Criminal Court (ICC).

I know this first hand. I appeared before the ICC at The Hague on Operation Cast Lead in defense of Israel’s legal position. There, the Palestinian Authority attempted to get jurisdiction against Israel. Fortunately, our defense of Israel was successful.

I have defended Israel. The question is whether the Obama administration will defend Israel.

Israeli lives hang in the balance.

 

Please... Stop being disingenuous. You made a direct reference to me and how I was raised. You assumed that I have preconceived hatred for Jews/Israel.

And please find a more objective source than Fox News. "Forced negotiations"... Okay, I would like the specifics on how the U.S. will force negations upon Israel. If it through cutting foreign aid then Israel has nothing to worry about as Rubio stated that they are a thriving free market society.

 

Honestly - I have no idea how you were raised. All I know is that you are really anti-Israel, and that this view seems to be almost unanimously shared by Muslims. Someone recently posted a poll that showed that in Turkey, people think Israel is worse than ISIS or something. I find that viewpoint shocking.

I did not mean to offend your parents or anything like that - apologies if it came across like that.

 

Strong leader? Really? Is your idea of a strong leader someone who argues for a two state solution for six years, and then reverses himself on the eve of an election?

That's a strong leader?

That's by definition a weak leader who had to change his long held view just in order to win some votes. He couldn't lead people to the position he'd had for six years. So the day before the election he switched his stance.

You have a strange idea of what a strong leader is.

 

What do you think about Obama's stance on Guantanamo?

 

What exactly have I stated that is 'anti-Israel'? What makes me anti-Israel any more than I am anti-France or anti-United Kingdom or anti-[any state]. If you want I can post criticism of some of those nations. Would that make me anti-[whatever state]? Does the fact that I consider them a fallible entity make me 'anti'? Why don't you scrummage through the thread regarding the most recent Hamas rocket attacks and Israel's retaliation in Gaza and actually read my posts and learn that I placed heavy criticism on both sides and defended Israel's right to defend themselves.

Criticism of a regime is not the same as criticism of a race of humans or an entire nation-state.

Do you understand what your logic entails? I criticize Bibi hence I am anti-Israeli...
ATW, have you ever criticized Obama? Wait... you have!! OMFG YOU ARE ANTI-AMERICAN!!! GET THE **** OUT OF THIS AMERICAN MESSAGE BOARD!

 

No one in Israel likes Bibi very much. He's as corrupt and duplicitous as a Tammany Hall alderman. He's already backtracked on his backtracking on his two-state commitment.

In order to win, he had to resort to race-baiting in order to get out the right-wing nationalist vote to hold their noses and vote for Likud to keep a right-wing government. This whining about foreign money and race-baiting is ironic when one considers that Sheldon Adelson (who likes to refer to the US president as "that schvarte") funds an entire newspaper devoted to positive spin on all things Bibi and gives obscene amount of money to Likud.

Comparing Bibi to Cheney is unfair -- to Cheney. Cheney at least has principles. Hobbsean principles, maybe, but principles nonetheless.
I wouldn't even compare him to George Wallace -- at least Wallace cared about his racist supporters.

Some parties shifted seats, but all that really came of it is that the united Arab List (an odd coalition of Communist, Nationalist and Islamist parties who agree about nothing except not enjoying being marginalized for being Arab) picked up four seats and the haredi parties lost 4.

Meanwhile, Bibi throws a hail mary to stay in office by promising to build *more* in the territories and scares all the biggots to the polls for fear of the dastardly Arab menace that actually threatened to vote for once. Just because his coalition is composed of wingnuts well to the right of him does not make him a centrist -- he's certainly well right of Begin and Sharon.

And frankly, the man **** his mess kit. In order to get that late desperate bump in the polls, he pretty much lost all credibility with the international community. Though he's trying to say now that he didn't really mean it when he said he was no longer for two states, I think everyone is tired of pretending he or any of his ilk are serious about peace or any kind of civil reconciliation.

Oh, and let's not forget the unprecedented brain drain, the continued militarization of the state, the ridiculous high cost of living and property or corruption...let's all hail the corrupt hero who has led Israel into a ditch, is hated by even his own party and has alienated every single ally 'cause he's "tough on the Arabs."

The world has more sympathetic despots to whiteknight.

 

You must hate Israel Deji:grin:

 

Another post by the "libertarian" conservative GOP guy

Hey no need to try to be cool. Why not drop the "libertarian" pose.?

 

does my insufficient dogmatism upset you? why?

 

That has been pretty consistent this whole time. Too bad congress wouldn't approve the closure.

There are numerous places where I think Obama has been weak, and among those are his crack down on whistle blowers despite what he presented when he campaigned.

Related to gitmo sort of has been his incomplete crackdown on torture or sanctioning torture. He's improved since the previous administration and made changes, but hasn't gone far enough and hasn't taken the actions needed to stop some of the out of country torture locations etc. He hasn't been tough enough with the Saudis, nor Israel.

 

His bible also tells him that he should lie and be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

 

GOD DEJI YOU JOO, JOO HATURZ Y U CRITICIZE EMPUROR BIBI .

 

Thank you. A post people should pay attention to.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-20/israeli-pm-netanyahu-backtracks-on-palestinian-state/6334470

Israeli PM Netanyahu backtracks on commitment to stop the creation of Palestinian state
Posted about 3 hours ago

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has denied rejecting the eventual creation of a Palestinian state, backing away from pre-election comments that deepened a rift with Israel's ally the United States.

On the eve of this week's general election, Mr Netanyahu ruled out the establishment of the Palestinian state if he was re-elected.

But the White House, unmoved by Mr Netanyahu's post-election effort to backtrack, delivered a fresh rebuke against the Israeli leader and signalled that Washington may reconsider its long-standing policy of shielding Israel from international pressure at the United Nations.

"I haven't changed my policy. I never retracted my speech in Bar-Ilan University six years ago calling for a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish state," Mr Netanyahu said in an interview with MSNBC two days after winning the bitterly contested election.

"What has changed is the reality," Mr Netanyahu said, citing the Palestinian Authority's refusal to recognise Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people and the Hamas militant group's continued control of the Gaza Strip.

Mr Netanyahu accused Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas of rejecting "the acceptance of a Jewish state".

"He's made a pact with the Palestinian terrorist organisation Hamas that calls for our destruction," he said.

The Israeli leader also pointed to turmoil in the region unleashed in the wake of the Arab Spring, claiming that meant militants from the Islamic State group were only dozens of miles from Israel's borders.

Shortly after Mr Netanyahu's interview aired, US officials made clear they were not buying it.

The White House warned there would be "consequences" for Israel as the Obama administration re-evaluates its Middle East diplomatic strategy and monitors the formation of Mr Netanyahu's new ruling coalition.

"He walked back from commitments that Israel had previously made to a two-state solution," White House spokesman Josh Earnest told reporters.

"It is cause for the United States to evaluate what our path is forward."

The harsh US response signalled that US-Israeli relations, already at their lowest point since president Barack Obama took office, could deteriorate even further.

Netanyahu foreshadows fresh peace talks

During the interview with MSNBC television, Mr Netanyahu insisted he was "proud to be the prime minister of all Israeli citizens, Arabs and Jews alike" after triggering outrage for warning supporters that Israeli Arabs were "turning out in droves" to the polls.

He suggested that he remained open to the possibility of new peace talks, saying: "I was talking about what is achievable and what is not achievable."

"We withdrew from Gaza, we got thousands of rockets on our heads. [We] don't want it to happen again," he said.

"I think the administration has said time and time again, the only way to achieve peace is a negotiated solution — you can't impose peace.

"If you want to get peace, you've got to get the Palestinian leadership to abandon their pact with Hamas and engage in genuine negotiations with Israel for an achievable peace."

The Israeli leader also maintained that his controversial anti-Arab comments on a Facebook page aimed at drumming up support at the ballot box were an attempt "to counter a foreign-funded effort to get votes that are intended to topple my party".

Some outside groups had vowed to "try to get out votes for a specific party, an amalgamation of Islamists and other groups," Mr Netanyahu said, without giving any details, insisting he was not "trying to suppress a vote".

The White House on Wednesday chastised Mr Netanyahu for his remarks, saying such rhetoric "seeks to marginalize Arab-Israeli citizens."