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U.S. Senate GOP throws USA under bus and aligns with Iran

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 10, 2015.

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  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    What does it mean to be lenient on Iran? What would you want the Admin to do? They are the ones who spearheaded the current sanctions that have crushed Iran's economy and have brought them to their knees. 5 years ago Iran wouldn't dare think about ending their nuclear program.

    Do you actually think we can stop Iran from obtaining a nuke if that is their priority? We can't. No one can. They will get one eventually like it or not just like N. Korea has done. Neither a Democratic nor Republican president could stop them.

    I would love to hear how the critics of diplomacy would stop Iran from getting a nuke. The GOP wants war and just isn't willing to admit to it.
     
    #141 Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 12, 2015
  2. mtbrays

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    "We're so opposed to Iran developing a nuclear weapon that we're against making any deal to prevent them from making a nuclear weapon."
     
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  3. Kevooooo

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    Exactly, sanctions were working. So why is Obama telling Congress to halt them?

    We can't necessarily stop them from getting one off the black market, we can certainly stop them from developing the means domestically. Not to mention in today's age it's not easy to sneak a nuclear weapon/radioactive materials around. But you're right, that Pakistani guy got Korea nukes, someone can likely do the same for Iran. However, enabling them to continue on the path towards a bomb, while they continually threat both our country and our biggest ally in the region, is not negotiating in good faith.

    Until Iran eliminates the violent rhetoric, I won't trust them to act peacefully with this technology.

    No one is criticizing diplomacy, they are criticizing the current negotiations with Iran. No one WANTS war. However, war HAS to be an option. EVERYTHING has to be an option. If Iran KNOWS you're only willing to go so far, they'll continue with business as usual. You don't actually have to go to war, or even draw a red line.
     
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    Again, that is a misrepresentation of the concerns of these 47 GOP Senators and some Democrats. This is not entirely a partisan issue, albeit some are certainly using it simply to slam Obama.
     
    #144 Kevooooo, Mar 12, 2015
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    You are crazy if you don't think this is partisan. We don't even have a deal and the Republicans are already saying it's a bad one that they will object to. We don't even have a deal and the Republicans are writing open letters to Iran saying it doesn't mean anything.

    We don't even have a deal. This isn't Obama either. Obama isn't negotiating with the Ayatollah. Representatives from the US, UK, Germany, France, China and Russia are all working and they have to reach an agreement together.
     
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    We do know some of the key negotiation concessions actually, and I am sure Congress knows much more than the general public. Is Menendez a Republican? Schumer and Engel didn't switch parties did they? Parts of the deal have been leaked and we know that they will allow Iran to continue their program. Just because WE the general public don't know the intricate details, doesn't mean members of Congress, especially those on the Foreign Affairs Committee, don't have that knowledge, and they've been speaking out against this deal for months.

    No doubt that some members of the GOP will use this simply as another means to oppose Obama, but that doesn't mean this deal isn't a serious issue facing the security of our country and the mid east in general. Iran is not some school yard punk spitting idle threats. They have contributed to terrorism all over the world.
     
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    It's funny that you know more than anyone else, and what you know 100% contradicts what the secretary of state said today.

    This is the problem. You say you have no problem with this letter, than spew a bunch of inaccuracies in defense of your indefensible position.

    Link to these "leaks" you're talking about. Stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions is the main part (MAIN EFFING PART!) of the negotiations.
     
    #147 Baba Booey, Mar 12, 2015
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    diplomacy ≠ backroom deals
     
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    the fool you're referring to disagrees.
     
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    Iran is worst than ISIS, state sponsor terror >> militia terror
     
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    A really excellent post, justtxyank. You pretty much nailed it, in my opinion. Kudos!
     
    #151 Deckard, Mar 12, 2015
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    What does that make Saudi arabia and Pakistan?
     
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    It makes america look like a bunch of hypocritical b****es. Iran is not an enemy. But keep being mislead you ignorant fools.
     
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    It isn't about what entity is more morally reprehensible (though It can be EASILY argued that ISIS is more morally reprehensible than Iran's regime). It's all about what entity is more predictable and a state is always going to be more predictable as they have to in some form follow international norms in order to secure self-preservation.
     
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    He isn't telling congress to halt them, he is asking for more time to try to find a nuke deal which is why the sanctions were put in place from the beginning. You clearly don't know what is going on. Sanctions don't work in isolation, they only work if every country agrees to the same sanctions and isolates Iran. If Germany and Russia and China decide that enough is enough than the effectiveness ends there. It's not just Obama and Congress that has to put the pressure on Iran.

    How do you know that?

    How is Obama enabling them? They were still building a bomb with the current sanctions until recently. Did you know that they started reversing the process of building a bomb as the condition to even having negotiations? That if we were not to do the negotiations they would go back to enriching uranium.

    I care more about results than rhetoric.

    How do you know war isn't an option - any less under Bush than Obama? Don't you think the fact that we aren't committed to an Iraq war enables us to wage war? You think Iran knows that Israel is willing to bomb Iran if they think they are about to get a bomb already?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA. What a mess.

    Every time I am annoyed that Dutch politics is stupid I just look at the US and I feel much better (well actually not since it is sad that this is how politics is).

    The biggest problem I see is that the type of person that succeed in politics are not the people that you want leading your country.
     
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    This opinion from Michael Gerson make much sense to me. I would also add that if it does come to war, you also want Europe cooperation instead of going it on your own.

    There simply is no good to this letter. It's a lose-lose to American. Simple stupidity and mindlessness at work.

    link
     
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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/UKLE9xLZQgM?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This guy is such a fool. Russia and China will not put more severe sanctions on Iran and will in fact go against the U.S. congress, and Iran will go back to developing its weapons program.

    What a travesty that such a stupid man is muddling in something he is out of his league on.
     
    #159 Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 15, 2015
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    Are you talking about Obama?
     
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