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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. Sydeffect

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    That is underselling Dwight big time
     
  2. JoeBarelyCares

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    Except that outside of Dream, that was probably (1994 at least) one of the least talented teams of all time to win the title. Rudy T's teams didn't have near the talent level of Phil Jackson's teams.
     
  3. getbloodyred

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    I'd agree with you if we were discussing Ariza or a pure shooter like Canaan or Troy Daniels. Those are guys who have shown great shooting ability in the past. Beverly is not in that group.

    When Bev was hitting 3's earlier in the season, he was overachieving. He's not a great shooter and we know that because we've been watching him for like two years. He's decent, and can work as a spot up shooter at an above average rate (mid to high 30%'s). But he cannot dribble from the strong side, go under the basket, and go to the weak side, turn around, and shoot the ball. He's not Steph Curry and needs to understand that he should only shoot in spot up situations. We, as supporters, should not expect Bev to make every single 3. If he can shoot like 36 or 37%, I'll take it.

    I do believe Bev should continue shooting, because he will get back to his normal production, around 36%. However, this should only be in spot up situations. He should never dribble around and pull up from 3. That is a horrible and inefficient basketball.
     
  4. tim562

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    Thanks Batman!!
     
  5. xiki

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    Rudy T only was able to coach THE DREAM because he convinced Hakeem to drop his trade demands; and to get ol' Charlie T to simmer down. Then Rhdy devised the system that allowed the greatest player on the planet, and he was during the mid-90s, to carry his team B2B.

    Rudy T deserves great kudos for how he ran the Rockets!
     
  6. Roc Paint

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    You should thank him tim562, your the lucky one who ended up with his tickets for the Denver game. :p
     
  7. tim562

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    Batman Couldn't go? I don't want to take his tix. What gives? I can give them back!!
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    I left a phrase out of my original post. I ought to have said, "You have them play through it especially when you don't have another option." We don't have a guy sitting on the bench waiting for his chance. If we did you know we'd go to him just as we did from Brooks to Lowry to Dragic. We don't have one of those guys now: we have Pablo. And he's old enough that he's not going to take minutes and surprise anyone. We know what we have in him and he's not been able to take Bev's minutes from him.

    Let's not forget either that Bev spent the summer focused on 3 point shooting and came back shooting a VERY high percentage. That's gone now but we have to believe it can be gotten back because we don't have another guy waiting in the wings to take those minutes away. Just as we live and die by the 3 we will almost certainly live or die with Pat as PG. Our other options are Terry (not a PG at all) and PP (a role player that would rather eat his own face than shoot even when open). And Terry's not exactly lighting it up either.

    Good post though. All makes sense. And then there's the reality of the situation which has Beverley as a critical part of our rotation simply for lack of alternatives.
     
  9. Roc Paint

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    Batman and I have another date. :eek: :cool:
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Very kind of you, tim. But I'm in treatment for Lyme disease right now and while I'm being treated I have a really hard time being out at night. The game would have been an endurance test for me. I should be back up to snuff for the playoffs though and I'm definitely going to try to catch one or two of those live. Thanks again to Roc Paint for his generosity and to you tim for your thoughtfulness. I'll be rooting from home as I do when I'm in treatment.
     
  11. tim562

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    I figured that's why you couldn't go. Just didn't want to be inconsiderate bro. My wife and I have been meaning to visit your theater. We love Plays and such. Hopefully one day we'll get to meet. All the best wishes to you getting better.
     
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    We traded that guy to Philly.
     
  13. Roc Paint

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    His theater is a great experience! My wife and I had the best time we've ever had going out.

    Looking very foward to next one.
     
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    I can live with Ariza and his slumps because he knows what he's doing. He helps us in so many different ways other than just ISO defense.

    If Bev isn't hitting shots he won't cut it as a starting point guard. While his defense is good, he doesn't have near the impact that Ariza does, and the only thing he gives us on offense is offensive rebounding at the guard spot.

    I wonder if the Spurs would do something like the NYK 2nd for Patty Mills.
     
  15. Batman Jones

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    For whatever reason, and I can't discuss nor do I know really the reason why, he wasn't getting off our bench. Got on the wrong side of the right guy. I'd been screaming for him to get minutes but it wasn't going to happen. And, in the end, he goes to the worst team in the league and still can't hit in NBA game situations. Same problem he had with us. (One of them anyway.) Some guys can't translate NBDL success to NBA. Howard can shoot a very high percentage of free throws outside of game situations but he can't do it in the games. I expect we had a similar situation with Canaan but there's more to it than that. When I came to know that I didn't push for whys and wherefores. I got the sense it was a sensitive topic.
     
  16. Batman Jones

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    Thanks, buddy. tim: If you ever want to come to the show your first time's on me. Tickets are also pay-what-you-can to all of our shows so you'd never be turned away for lack of funds. If you're coming let me know so I can try to be there to say hi. Off-topic digression over.
     
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    Canaan is shooting 41% from 3 on 8 attempts per game since he joined Philly. The guy can flat out shoot the rock.

    Ultimately, the Rockets thought Beverley's defense and McDaniel's potential was worth more than Canaan and the DEN 2nd. That might be true, but it is brutal watching Beverley miss these wide open shots created by Harden.
     
  18. Batman Jones

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    I'm not up to date on Canaan and Philly. I was basing that on his first five or six games when I was following his progress. It's great to know he's coming into his own. I've always liked him.

    "Ultimately, the Rockets thought..." I'm sorry and I don't mean to be rude but you don't have any idea what the Rockets thought. I'm not saying I do really but I know a little more than you do and one thing I can tell you is he was deep in the doghouse and it would have really taken a lot for him to see court time again with us. It happens. With Canaan, it did. We didn't trade him because we preferred Beverley necessarily; we traded him because he wasn't going to get to play here. I don't know the details, I only know that that's true.
     
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    Obviously I agree with this. And obviously we need at upgrade at the position. It will have to wait for next year.
     
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    The sensitivity of the Canaan situation has to do with the fact that Morey knows dude can ball but he couldn't make McHale play him and McHale didn't like his attitude.

    Definitely not a move for winning now.

    Too much meddling coming from Les, dishing out the McHale extension which basically handed McHale more personnel control exhibited by simply not playing guys he don't want. Sure hope it works out and we land Love. Because not playing Canaan is one of those things that is going to bite us in the butt in a little while.
     
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