Trust me I dont think I its right but those are the real world consequences people have to live with. These two adults shouldn't just get a free pass when everyone else doesn't. Real life actions have real life consequences. You really think his parents give two ****s about his actions? Do you think if this weren't in public they'd give a damn? I don't.
I am not in favor of consequences that actually makes situations worse. Do those 19 year olds deserve some sort of consequence? Yes. Is public shaming for the rest of his life one of them? No. All that will accomplish is isolating the kid and making him more resentful.
I knew when I was 19 years old that chanting the N word was wrong. These kids have been coddled their entire lives and no one wants to take any sort of responsibility for why they are the way they are. Expulsion is absolutely the correct response to this and good for OU for doing it.
Interesting question. At one end you have questions of personal responsibility. At the other, concern about ruining the life of a 19 year old. And in between you have questions about how serious the action was and how seriously you respond to it. One might find it curious that a right wing radio talk show audience would favor leniency, and whether that same audience would think the same if it was a a black 19 year old that had did something. i reckon that I would be agreeable to a more private punishment but I also can empathize with those who feel it was such an abhorrent act that the punishment needs to be publicly demonstrated.
Let's be realistic. Will this really follow them for the rest of their privileged lives? The speed of which our society eats food and spits it out for more news? These kids have millionaires for parents. They will be ok. Socially they might encounter a few murmurs at the country club but time heals and daddy will make a donation to a school somewhere in Montana where Rice will graduate and inherite his father's real estate holdings. Cry me a river.
This is nothing but a double standard. It's not surprising this is what's being said on talk radio. How do minorities challenge money, power,,racism, and privilege to garner equality if not by public action? It's convenient to say "play by the rules" in a game where the rules are rigged. We know how the game usually works. There's a bunch of outrage, then a lot of lip service, and ultimately nothing changes.
I don't think any of us here thinks this is a one time incident. Do you think these kids would have done what they did knowing that the video will be posted for everyone to see? They know it was wrong but still decided to do thinking they will not suffer any consequence. This is not just a reprimand for these kids but a message to all the other people who have, is and or thinking of doing the same thing.
You assume this was a right-wing show, but in fact it is the Jeff Ward show and he is hardly right wing. He constantly criticizes the right and Republicans. He is a moderate with libertarian views on some issues. i 1) I am not really concerned with the punishment, albeit I find expulsion/suspension from school in any grade for almost any reason (other than violence) unjust as it doesn't actually change anything. For the most part, this applies to high school/middle school age kids. You punish them by sending them away from school, by delaying or halting entirely their education? My concern really is the people picketing his parents' home. What's a double standard? And I don't think you should assume that this show is anything like other shows (like Rush or Hannity). This show attracts people from both sides. I listen almost every day (when I am lucky enough to get out before 6), it's mostly a comment show -- the host doesn't push his view points very often he just brings up popular topics and it's not all political.
Glad to see OU at least trying to punish these guys. Years ago, stupidity like this would've been brushed under the rug.
I think the expulsion of the student does do something. It removes something that attracts negative attention from a student body trying to focus on just being students. Would you leave a tumor on a patient if the patient can't look in the mirror and not be distracted by it every day? That's foolish. It's what's best for both the students and the SAE members. The SAE members can go to school elsewhere and not be faced with looking at students that despise them and the same with the others.
There is no evidence that suggests these two have done anything wrong other than chant racist things in this video. Perhaps you have other evidence that suggests this was not their only offense, or that they had done something on campus. You can't suspend or expel a student simply because the press is a distraction. I really have a hard time applying your metaphor to this situation. There is no indication that this kid was a tumor, just that he took part in a really stupid video in a private setting while intoxicated. I would have no issue with SAE kicking them out. However, I still believe it's going too far expelling students for things they say off campus (I assume this was off campus?) And no, these kids really can't go anywhere else, their name and personal info is out there for the world to see. What school or organization will take them? People aren't going to let this go.
Who says you can't expel or suspend a student for what those students did? Is the government coming down on them? I don't think so. The video chant is evidence enough that these "kids" are part of a tumor that finally got shut down at OU.
Excuse me, I should have said "you shouldn't," not that you are forbidden. I disagree that this is evidence enough that these kids are "part of a tumor," you know nothing about these kids, you've simply drawn a conclusion based on one disgusting action. Perhaps they are "tumors' and are racist little sh!ts, but you can't draw that conclusion from one drunken night.
You know that these students chant violent racist chants. You don't know other parts about them, that's true, but we do know that they enjoy chanting violent racist chants.
Y'all are crazy if you think OU can't find grounds to expel these two. It doesn't have to be illegal to be expulsion worthy. According to the plagiarism code, you are not allowed to re-use your own work for more than one class. That's not illegal (its encouraged in the real world) but the school can punish you for it including expulsion.
We know that they enjoyed chanting this racist chant, this one time. Do you have proof this has been done multiple times? The racist chant isn't even really the issue you should focus on, imo, the lynching mention is the only point I agree with from those who believe the actions were just.
Who is saying it's illegal? I haven't read every comment here, but if you're referring to my comment, I never said it was illegal (though I shouldn't have said they "can't"). I just don't think it is the right action. The kid likely would have dropped out anyways due to the shame (people would have recognized him at school and rumors would have spread and people many many people know what frat you are aligned with considering most wear frat shirts 24/7), but I don't think a school should kick someone out for saying something offensive in the privacy of their own home/frat house. Are the frat houses school property (really, I don't know so I am legitimately asking that)?
No, typically the houses are owned and run by their own non-profit entity typically comprised of alumni. Usually these homes have loans outstanding and insurance with a finance arm owned by the national fraternity but each chapter is it's own 'franchise' for lack of a better term. However, the OU SAE 'franchise' is likely [most certainty] a chartered OU student organization, so this is why i'm okay with the expulsion.
