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Why couldn't we get Mo Williams?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hotballa, Feb 10, 2015.

  1. jordnnnn

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  2. vator

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    I'll admit that I thought this thread was stupid at the time of its inception, but you were right. If Mo could have been had for so cheap, we should have made a play for him. I reserve my right to change my mind again though if Prigioni actually starts to contribute. He seemed like he was going to be a solid addition at first, but has been plastered to the bench as of late just like Canaan was. His reluctance to take open shots is a bit concerning.
     
  3. baubo

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    One thing that never ceases to amaze me is fans' beliefs that if a player can do X in one situation, he can also do X in another, completely different situation.

    Mo Williams' scoring has been coming mostly from jumpshots. He is shooting 51% from long 2s and nearly 1/3 of his shots come from that range. For his career, that's basically his game, shooting long jumpers. That is the opposite of what the Rockets want from the players. It's also very inefficient. For comparison, Mo's career long 2s % is 43% vs. the 51% he's shooting currently.

    So the questions is, do you believe Mo Williams is a 43% jumpshooter, or a 50% jumpshooter which is on par with Dirk, Ray Allen, Steve Nash of the world? If you believe in the latter, then Morey failed. If you believe in the former, then you would simply chalk this up as a hot stretch that isn't sustainable.

    I tend to believe that player over a 11 year career is more representative of his ability than one recent hot stretch. And I'm certain Morey believes this too. We may be wrong, but history has shown this view is almost always correct.
     
  4. vator

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    I for one don't think Mo would come close to replicating what he is doing for the Hornets here because he has been given full autonomy to dominate the ball and take as many shots as he wants. That said, he is an upgrade that could have been had for cheap and would have been a solid addition. He can spot up shoot and when Harden sits, he can create a little bit and squeeze off a few more shots. He has always been an offense first PG. I was in favor of bringing in Isaiah Thomas as well for that role. Seems like Mo could have done what I was hoping Thomas would do at a cheaper price.
     
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    Huh? And then you top it off with the classic " Im sure Morey knows this info... " this is becoming a classic here. Morey can never mess up and if he did, Im sure Morey .... save face comment"
     
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    the best part is when he says history shows Morey is correct. What history? The one where we dont do much in the playoffs because the refs swallow their whistles and we can't hit our 3s?
     
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    its about the scoring ability to do that. of course he's not gonna replicate the same stats here, but the thing is he has shown over his career that he has the talent to do it if called upon.
     
  8. baubo

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    Mo Williams' career averages on offense is roughly the same as Isaiah Canaan's averages on the Sixers. It's what Aaron Brooks gave us last year. Give a PG reins to an offense and he'll put up stats. If you wanted someone to put up inefficient volume numbers off the bench, Canaan does the exact same job at an even lower price.
     
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    Called upon to do what? Shoot a bunch of low percentage long 2s and let Brewer, Josh Smith, Jones/DMo watch as he does it? How is that good offense?
     
  10. vator

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    Ironically I will readily admit that I wanted Canaan to play. On the flip side, Mo Williams has proven that he can also set guys up on the NBA level. Canaan hasn't. It was the same thing people were saying when some of us were pushing for an Isaiah Thomas acquisition. They were saying Canaan was on Thomas' level which just isn't true. Not yet anyways. Maybe not ever.
     
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    :D and the 2-3 years of jacking up threes is good offense?
     
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    Moreys history of player evaluation is terrible.

    He has more misses than hits on trades, signings, non signings etc.

    He tweets too much.


    Fire him.
     
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    The two years prior to this season we were the 6th and 4th best offense in the league. Terrible indeed.
     
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    My wife does this everytime we get into an argument where she's in the wrong. "fine fine, I'm the worst person ever".
     
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    and how did that serve us in the playoffs?
     
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    And dont the Mavs have the best offense. Unfortunately that doesnt mean chit.
     
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    So are you going to be that guy that ****s on everything until we win a series? What then after that, **** on everything until we get a championship? Whats the point?
     
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    flip side
     
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    What flip side? I have said many times Morey isnt perfect. He has made mistakes like everyone else. We didnt get Mo, get over it. He wouldnt have been the difference between winning a championship or not.
     
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    lol uh what?

    The dude complained, incorrectly, that our offense of just jacking threes the last few years is bad. The measure that everyone uses to rate offenses had us at 4th and 6th the last two years. 4th and 6th is not bad.

    Who said anything about the mavs? You are attacking points I'm not making. You have to have a good offense AND defense. We had the good offense in the past, but our defense sucked. Just like Dallas this year.

    Last year the Spurs were 6th, a ranking we had two years ago,in offense. It served them a championship.

    2 years ago Miami had the #1 offense. It meant lots of chit. It served them a championship.
     

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