Guys there's no point in engaging BBH since it's clear he's not here to dialogue but to push his own agenda or narrative. In fact i think he enjoys and gets off on people debating his ridiculous posts because it garners attention he's looking for or feeds some sort of savior complex (like this board needs him to educate the CF community). Do yourselfs a favor and just put him on your ignore list and don't engage him when he goes into these episodes. That'll at the very least limit the enjoyment he gets out of these silly debates and eventually shuts him up. Or at the very least don't quote him so the rest of us who have ignored him don't have to read his dribble.
TJ balling out of control against the best team in the league And yet he will be out f the league SOON Lol at jopatmc
Great game from him tonight, too bad the entire team went full r****d in the 4th, I would have liked to see him keep getting touches rolling to the basket.
I agree he had a really good game , but Calvin is right ... He only had 4 points in the second half . Also he had the same number of rebounds as the supposedly weak, soft , p***y dmo so I guess he needs to get stronger as well. Most of this point is in jest . Tjones and dmo are both awesome and both of them need to be on point for us to be a perennial contender . I think both will do so .
I don't think anybody played poorly, we just didn't have a closer. But people are acting as if Jones outplayed D-mo today and that simply wasn't true. When the D got tight late neither guy could do anything. The see-saw back to D-mo hate is starting to piss me off. We can't be happy one guy is playing well without railing about how much the other guy sucks.
Tonight's bottom line: Everybody played well for 3 quarters. NOBODY stepped up in the 4th quarter. Everybody shrank. Several players, including Jones had great stat lines....and were winning their matchups...until crunch time. They missed Harden's leadership more than anything else and no other leaders emerged. I see a bunch of good players.
haha exactly man...I like both guys, I want them both to succeed. Some posters on here can only be happy when their guy is doing well and the competition is sucking. I don't get it and the DMO hate is at a whole new level since Jones returned. Man, can we start an Ariza vs. Brewer debate instead?? :grin: I love all my rockets. Go team! (
His on ball D was great, his OFF ball D was lousy, he kept leaving his man forcing DMo to cover and then they would hit Dmo's guy for the little 12 foot jimmy. DD
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So what? Atlanta kept their core together and now they got a good coach in Popovich student Budenholzer and a good system. We just rely on Morey and McHale and keep trading for new players. Of course Harden and our talented role players will win us some games. But in the end consistency will win more. They need more time together. Outside of Howard who is declining in front of our eyes everyone needs time to gel.
I'm convincing you? And that's bothering you? Stop misquoting me and lying about what I said. Here's what I said...quoted. Here's my other quote about him. Neither one of those statements says Jones is the 250th best player in the league. Stop with your distortions and lies. Neither statement says there are 249 better players than him. Terrence, at this point in his career, is a role player. He's not a star, superstar, or All-Star. And his career is not on that trajectory. And here's precisely why: 1. He does not have the size, even though he's gotten bigger and stronger, he still does not have the innate size to match up defensively against the vast majority of front line starting power forwards in this league. He's not big enough nor long enough to not be totally mismatched when he goes up against LaMarcus, Timmy, Zach, Blake, etc. 2. Now, #1 is a problem that can be offset if Terrence has the ability to stretch the floor and bring those big power forwards out of the paint to have to defend him on the perimeter shooting the basketball. But....at this point in his career, in his 3rd season....he still hasn't become an effective outside shooter. Why is this important? Because if he can force those big power forwards out of the paint to defend his jump shot, then his handle comes into play. And then he becomes a mismatch for them and can pressure the opponent out of their double big lineups and force them to try to match up smaller against him. But as it is....he cannot effectively defend big power forwards. He had his hands full with Millsap tonight. And Millsap is relatively undersized. Millsap physically dominated Terrence in the 4th. Millsap is too big for him to contain. Especially if you're talking about a 7-game playoff series. Now...if you put him in there against Mike Scott.......there's a definite matchup in his favor. But Millsap? No. He can't contain Millsap. You saw it tonight. So, if Millsap is still too big for him to contain...then for sure Zach and Blake and Duncan and LaMarcus and on and on....are too big for him to contain. -____________________________________________________________ Guys, we're going through the same progression we did last season with multiple of you trumpeting every game Terrence puts up some good numbers. But there's no backdrop nor rhyme nor reason and no forward-thinking to what you're doing. You're projecting him to be a great player based on his performance as a garbage man/finisher in the regular season. He's shooting 72% at the rim this season. Outstanding! But....what's going to happen to that number if he's going up against dual 7-footers in the playoffs? Because that's where we're going ..... again. In the Portland series, that 72% turned into 59%. Now 59% is good. But do you know how many power forwards in this league finish at 59% at the rim in the playoffs? And he's not efficient enough at the FT line, nor does he get there often enough, for that to be a huge positive for him. In fact, teams will foul him more and more until he PROVES he can knock them down in crunch time. His scoring DROPPED from 16 a game during the regular season to 7 a game in the playoffs. His minutes dropped from 27 to 23. That's a 56% reduction in scoring and a 14% reduction in playing time. Do you know what great players do when they hit the playoffs? Their numbers go up. Check out Damian Lillard. Last year...second year in the league...numbers go up in the playoffs. Minutes, points, rebounds, assists. Everything went up. All those put backs, all those easy layups/dunks......they disappeared in the playoffs. You'll argue, "he was just in his second season." You'll be arguing that after this season too. Somebody either today or yesterday put a post up about they'd take Terrence over every other team's 7th and 8th rotation players. I had to laugh. Guys that's one of 250 role players. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's what has to happen for Terrence to move up to the next tier of players in the NBA: HE.HAS.TO.BECOME.AN.EFFECTIVE.JUMP.SHOOTER. The reason he has to become an effective jump shooter is because HE.CANNOT.MAKE.HIMSELF.SEVEN.FEET.TALL. You see, if Terrence were 7-feet tall, he could be a dominant offensive player in the paint and an even better defender than he is. He could actually be a defender that could lock down with big bigs and also recover to defend spread 4's. He could post up big players and use his athleticism and quicks to become a great post up player instead of just a finisher and a guy that can post up in transition when a perimeter player gets stuck on him down low. He could AND WOULD do all those things if he were a 7-footer. But he ain't. Terrence _ones simply has to develop an efficient jump shot that opponents have to respect and defend so that he can force mismatches in his favor and get opponents to play him small so he can then post up and dominate the small matchup. Otherwise he's going to remain a role player for the balance of his career....... just like Corey Brewer.....just like Ed Davis and Wilson Chandler and MKG and Tony Allen and Thad Young and Jordan Hill and Glen Davis and Marvin Williams and Jason Thompson and Josh Mcroberts and Caron Butler and Kevin Saraphim and Luc Mbah A Moute and Darrell Arthur and Marresse Speights and Tyler Hansbrough and Mike Dunleavy and Quincy Pondexter and Chris Copeland and the Morris twins and Udonis Haslem and Aron Baynes and Reggie Evans and Tyler Zeller and Ryan Kelly and James Ennis and Shawn Marion and Pero Antic and Perry Jones and Al-Farouq Aminu and Alonzo Gee and Wayne Ellington and Cole Aldrich and Henry Sims and Kyle O'Quinn and Quincy Acy and Jason Maxiell and Jae Crowder and Dante Cunnningham and on and on and on.
Good obeservation and true. This speaks to basketball iq and why DocRocket verified what some of us already know about some of our players. You get Terrence locked in a half-court battle and he can't keep up, can't progress through his rotations fast enough. Get out and run and gun where he doesn't have to think and all he has to do is react and he looks sensational. Unfortunately, the playoffs are mainly half-court affairs. McHale's main challenge for this team is how can we force teams in the playoffs to play our helter-skelter tempo? If we can get teams to play our tempo....we have a great chance of winning. But if we get locked up in half-court battles....we'll be in trouble. Because we do not have the size nor the brains to play that game.
I think he played a very good game for someone that has missed more than half of the season. The Hawks are winning because of team concept, coaching and system. We are not the best in that department because we follow the mantra of a GM and not coaching. And we were without that superstar.
