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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Two Sandwiches, Jul 11, 2014.

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  1. basketballholic

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    My personal guess of what Jones' value is on the free agent has nothing to do with my "disdain" for Jones. It's simply a matter of what I think the league is willing to pay for him. Stop with your stupid posts about me having "disdain" for Jones and homeless stompers. So childish.
     
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    Reggie is the best pound for pound rebounder in the NBA Zoplicone. And a tenacious PITA defender too. Morey would love to have Evans on our bench on a minimum salary. I guarantee you that. And Evans would be playing major minutes very successfully in Jones' place if he were here and Jones wasn't here. (You probably won't believe that.)
     
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    I always hate to see players go. Especially when they've actually played, and I've seen them sweat and dig for the home team.

    But this is a business. And these guys get paid 10-100x what the common man gets paid. Every drop of sweat is worth 1000x more than each drop of sweat that the ditch digger gets. So, being the realist that I am, I always consider the future of this team. And guys in this league that most commonly get overpaid and hurt a teams cap and trade flexibility are guys coming off rookie deals that are not superstars. They usually get an inflated 4-year offer from some team hoping they become even better, teams taking crap shoots, etc.

    Morey is too smart for all that. UNLESS we have acquired our 3rd superstar by next summer or one of these guys has become a full-fledged superstar by next year's trade deadline, Morey will trade one or both of them for whatever value he can get back. He's not going to overpay to keep a non-superstar player on the roster on a 4-year deal when we're still trying to get a 3rd superstar.
     
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    is this a joke?
     
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    Evans is a total PITA for the opponent every second he's on the floor. Everybody hates playing against him because of his rugged tenacity. He literally beats the crap out of everybody he plays against. No joke.
     
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    Evans is physical, but he's also a slow-footed, foul prone liability on that end of the floor who focuses more on rebounding position than contesting shots.
     
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    I respect that you've kept the "Terrence _ones will be traded" spoiler in your sig after the deadline.

    Yes, it's completely rational to think that if TJ was traded, they're would be negligible options to replace him.

    None of that really matters though, coming from a fans perspective. I'm a HUGE TJ fan, especially since he's come back from that scary-ass injury. And especially after the effort and performance he's been bringing the last few games.

    I want to roll with TJ right now.
     
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    And that's a plus. Data shows rebounding is much more important to winning than blocking shots. Yes, he's foul prone. Every player that plays as hard as he does and scrambles and fights for every possession like Reggie does is going to be foul prone. He's great value on a minimum or low short-term salary. That's why he keeps getting contract after contract. Because he is willing to play relatively cheap and because his value for his contract is very, very high.

    Frankly, I'd love to add Evans to this team right now. Sure wished Sac would let him go and we could sign him for a playoff run. He's a playoff player. The rougher the game the more he shines. And the playoffs get rough.
     
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    Yeah he would take him for the bench, sure. But his offense is one of the worst and though Jones has no range, he's still much more skilled offensively, allowing him to play with Howard, and making him more valuable than Evans.
     
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    Me too. Our second unit is developing very uniquely right now. I really enjoyed watching Lebron and Cleveland run all their switches against us last night to try to find the favorable matchup. Didn't matter to us. They wanted Smith iso'd on Lebron. We gladly switched and there was Smith. They wanted Jones...we switched and let them have their preferred matchup. Harden? Same thing...switch and let them have the matchup they wanted. Then those guys just nutted down and played defense. Terrence fits in great as part of that rotation of guys, all close to the same bulk able to switch out on Lebron and Lebron still has to meet multiple defenders at the rim. So, I'm very glad Jones is in that mix for us right now.
     
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    We're talking about playing off the bench and nick nacks here. Sure Jones is the better offensive player. But Reggie is in a different stratosphere than Jones is defensively and on the glass. So, 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

    In my humble opinion, defense and rebounding are more valuable than a few extra percentage points finishing at the rim and being able to dribble the basketball up the court (something the guards are supposed to do anyway.)
     
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    It was a thing of beauty watching TJones, Smith, Harden, and Ariza switching on Lebron.
     
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    Can we please stop with the oxymoron statement "In My Humble Opinion"?

    When are opinions (especially on internet chat sites) ever humble?
     
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    The biggest idiots are the ones who haven't blocked him! The guy makes no sense.
     
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    In my humble opinion, with extra focus on defense the Rockets could be a better team.

    Sounds humble to me.
     
  16. rockbox

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    There is a difference between blocking shots and contesting shots. You have to contest shots or you are going to lose. Look at Love. He's an elite rebounder but doesn't contribute much to winning because he doesn't even bother to wave his hands in the air.
     
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    basketballholic's arguments with Jones lose credibility by the post.
     
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    Any updates if Rockets will sign anybody that was waived by March 1st.
     
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    Reggie Evans is not a good defender lmao. Yes he's a very rugged rebounder but this guy is extremely limited in who he can legitimately guard.

    He also doesn't one tenth of Jones' ability on the offense end.
     
  20. Clown Baby

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    I'll take that back. He's a good low-post defender because of his strength. Better than someone like TJones at that. He's a guy who can be useful against an Al Jefferson.

    But he is absolutely brutal when it comes to help D and contesting shots. Part of the reason why he has such a dominant DREB% is because he doesn't even attempt to protect the rim, he just tries to get in position for defensive boards.

    Yes, Evans is a nice garbage man that can be useful on the right team.

    But he is not anywhere near TJones as a player because of Jones' offensive skills. Jones is a tremendous PnR partner for Harden because he can put the ball on the floor and finish at an extremely high level.

    Jones: 72.5 FG% within 3 feet --- 124 career dunks in 2,778 mins
    Evans: 53.8 FG% within 3 feet --- 121 career dunks in 15,404 mins

    There's no comparison between the two offensively.

    The whole Terrence _ones thing has some truth to it. He's a bad shooter. But him finding an outside shot wouldn't just make him a decent player, it would make him an absolute stud on offense with the rest of his skillset.
     
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