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Donatas Motiejunas - X Factor

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DudeWah, Nov 23, 2014.

  1. Texanasiafan

    Texanasiafan Member

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    His offensive regression is the result of his poor defense.

    When you are struggling to stay on the floor, obviously its hard for you to concentrate and gain momentum on offense.
     
  2. jordnnnn

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    I don't think his defense is bad at all. We just have a better option in Smith, who is a better rim protector, rebounder and shot blocker. His offensive game is really hard to replace, he has just been in a little slump and I don't think it has much to do with his defense, whether you think he's been bad or good.
     
  3. LonghornFan

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    Wish his T-rex arms could rebound. Bev is a better rebounder than him right now. Kind of embarrassing for a 7' player.
     
  4. DudeWah

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    Dude please. You have no idea what you're talking about as always. You're the same guy who two months ago was trying to push the notion that Beverley's defense is invaluable to the Rockets when I was one of the first advocates of Beverley's decline.

    Your opinions on defense are not as good as you think.

    I do agree that D-Mo is not a center though.
     
  5. T_Man

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    Amazing how some posters get so sensitive about certain players, they think that player can do no wrong.

    Last year it was Lin, this year it's DMo. People are coming up with all kinds of excuses for DMo instead of realizing that DMo has developed but he has a long way to go. That's not saying anything negative about him, it's just being honest about him as a player right now.

    T_Man
     
  6. mvpcrossxover

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    There it is. This forum can't get past Lin for some reason. :confused:
     
  7. DudeWah

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    If you're referring to me, I actually bumped this thread to point out that he's been playing terribly.

    What's really funny is how you have posted the same fallacious argument against him from the very beginning in spite of how many times multiple posters have proven you wrong.

    You actually do have a point to a certain extent, but you speak in hyperbole way too often and it makes you look silly. Perhaps reflect on your own opinions before pointing out "how funny" it is what others are doing when the majority have proven you wrong.
     
  8. T_Man

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    Actually wasn't speaking about you in general, but I guess since you took what I said personally than you feel my text is about you...

    The mere fact of people trying desperately to convince us that DMo is the next up and coming superstar is outrageous... Yes I am repeating the same thing...

    DMo is a decent player (Which is true)
    DMo has the best offensive fundamentals of any big that we have on the team (Which is true)
    DMo has improved greatly (Which is true)

    Everyone wants to hear that... But the flip side is..

    DMo has to get stronger (Which is true)
    DMo needs to learn when to play help defense and when to stay on his man (Which is true)
    DMo has to learn to use his lower body to block people out (Which is true)

    When ever someone post anything negative then some posters get offended and take it personally with their post...

    I don't have a problem with being wrong... But I also don't come back with I told you so when I have been right....

    T_Man
     
  9. saintja2

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    I think Beverley and D-Mo both need a (healthy) Howard to be really effective. Beverley's overaggressive D makes sense when you have Dwight patrolling the paint. Same with D-Mo, with Dwight he can be more aggressive on the perimeter, have less responsibility in defending the rim, and can concentrate on blocking out his man and let Dwight grab the boards.

    D-Mo, if played at C, needs somebody like Ibaka at the 4 to cover his weaknesses.
     
  10. Texanasiafan

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    So you are doing a LOF move now? because whatever your obsession with Dmo and you need to use another player whose sucking bad lately to defend him?

    Look, as you said, 2 months ago, which bev's offensive game started to taking a dive and of course as I said, its always easier to hate on a player when his shoots not going in and people starting to hate on everything the guy will do.

    I am not surprised at all for all the hate, he is sucking bad of late - mostly offensively, but it doesn't mean what most of the haters are right about their opinions.

    At least not the coaches of the Rockets, nor Morey.

    As for Dmo's D, my opinion is not important at all, McHale's decision to play whom down the stretch will tell the whole story.
     
  11. Texanasiafan

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    This is the truth.
     
  12. moodazz

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    why the **** everyone are arguing about stupid things, one likes tj other dmo, but both are needed for the team, where we would be now without dmo this season?a? and where we would be without TJ now?m? seriously, sometimes it looks like 90% in this forum are total nonbrain kids. and its normal to have some bad games, its not a rare thing.
     
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    DMo will be great backing dwight once he is back

    Jones/smith
    Howard/DMo

    I don't know many teams with that kind of big man rotation
     
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    Or someone like Josh Smith.
     
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    I'm not worried about him, he still does the little things. Shots just been off and he's been in foul trouble, although tonight it felt like he just had some bad luck on calls.
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    DMo is a fine player who will have a fine career. But he doesn't look like a likely candidate to be an All NBA player.
     
  17. delishman

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    ROCKETS love DMo but would trade him in a second for ANY one-time ALL NBA player. Even a guy who made just ONE 3rd team all NBA.
     
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    When Morey was interviewed not too long ago, he was asked what the most efficient offensive possession was for the rockets. He said that after everything harden does, it's a DMO post up. Think about that. Morey said that a DMO post up is THE most efficient thing the rockets can do on offense aside from giving the ball to the potential MVP. Jones is a great player, and I'm excited about his return to the production we saw early in the season. But when the offense grinds to a halt (as it does semi-frequently and certainly will in the playoffs), one of the last options the rockets should turn to is giving Jones the ball. Jones gets his points in the PNR, off put backs and by crashing the boards. He's a garbage man, and an excellent one at that. On defense he seems to be making slight improvements which is promising. But ultimately we don't need a garbage man to play next to Dwight. Ideally Dwight will adjust his game and become Deandre Jordan 2.0 (the ultimate garbage man). He needs a guy to stretch the floor, make the right pass, and play good positional defense. DMO offers all of that and also is the most efficient player on post ups in the league. DMO is the better fit next to Dwight. The good news is that Jones looks great next to DMO too. His shot blocking, rebounding, and overall athleticism complements DMO well. If he could learn to make a pass every once in a while he would be perfect. Count me as someone who thinks the writing is on the wall for Dwight. I think the rockets this off season will continue to bulk DMO up. I think that Jones at the 4 and DMO at the five is the front court of the future. I hope I'm wrong though. If Dwight could come back relatively healthy and play to his strengths (that's the part I think is the most unlikely to happen) he and DMO could wreck shop.
     
  19. mfastx

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    DMo is doing okay, it's just that Jones is doing so dam well that it's making him look bad.

    If Jones keeps this up he'll reclaim his starting spot when Dwight gets back.
     
  20. sealclubber1016

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    Those of you that think D-Mo has poor defensive awareness are simply wrong, there really is no discussion to be had on that matter.

    The problem that he does have is that against teams like Brooklyn who basically play small 4's he isn't quick enough. He looked really bad tonight because he kept getting stuck on one of the smaller players. Against traditional bigs like Randolph or Aldridge he actually excels on defense. Josh Smith is an all-world defensive player, he always has been, it is his most valuable ability so being benched for him is no big insult.

    D-Mo still has the best defensive on-off numbers of all the big men this season, including Howard. I still want to see Jones defend strong 4's before I'm ready to eat crow on him. I already knew that he was more than capable of stretches like this, his comically bad defense has been the question mark, but he's looked good so far.
     

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