True or False statement regarding Christians and Muslims in the United States

I am not going to go one by one through the list of all the people that signed the deceleration of independence, but I will recommend a book to you which argues quite convincingly that the founding fathers with the most influence into the nature of our government (Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Hamilton, Franklin, Washington etc) were indeed not Christians. That book is titles The Religious Beliefs of America's Founders: Reason, Revelation, and Revolution

 

I'm glad that they influenced the nature of our government because they showed a great deal of wisdom in keeping religion separate from the rule of law but this nation was founded by Christians and a whole lot of them died doing it. IMO it is you that are living with a false view of history.

I would love to talk religion with any one of those men because I know that whatever view they have of God it would be one that they built and not one that they got from somebody else. That is something I can appreciate.

 

Having a population that identifies itself as Christian and being a model Christian nation are two different things. I do not have an issue with the United States having a majority that identifies as Christian... However this idea that the USA embodies model Christian virtue is just not reflected in our history. The USA is and has been about expansionism, individuality, financial prosperity and wide spread consumption of resources. I am not even judgmental of it, I believe that is what happens.. To the winner goes the spoils in reality.

 

Franklin attended church and donated to Christian churches but admittedly had little use for religion or scripture. He was not a religious man. Jefferson enjoyed the study of Christianity and at various times praised it and criticized it, but was not a Christian. Washington was less bold than others on religion, and did find value in Christian writings and teachings, he was greatly influenced by Jesuits. He clearly believed in a creator but didn't articulate a Christian idea of God. Hamilton wasn't from America but was actually the most inline with a real vision of America. He attended church off and on but has made remarks about religion being unnecessary.

John Adams was a Christian IMO. He strongly believed in God and although, had Deist ideas popular at the time ultimately was a Christian. However even Adams was a firm believer in the seperation of Church and State. Hell, term "creator" was an abstraction/philosophy that was used to support the idea of rights at birth and also was a compromise term.

 

WTF kind of question is this? They are both ****ing terrible things to have in government.

Are you asking which one SUCKS less?

THEY BOTH SUCK !

DD

 

I actually have not missed either of those points and have in fact acknowledged both of them here. I would like to point out that freedom of religion was a major motivation and the people who were concerned about this wanted the freedom to practice Christianity(whatever flavor they wanted) without interference from the government. In fact, this was one of the main reasons people came to the colonies.

I'm trying to stay on point with the OP's question. This is a country of Christians and always has been. I don't see how the prevailing religious belief system for over 200 years can be more "dangerous" to our country than a different one which for the most part has proven to be totally intolerant of other religions.

 

Again, I have no idea what you mean by "model Christian nation"? We are a nation of Christians but if any nation were to model itself after Christ, the rest of the nations would crush that nation. I don't know how you crucify a nation but that whatever end that nation came to would approximate that.

 

Huh?

Ok then, if your position is that Christianity, which has been the ever present dominant religion in this country for over 200 years is an imminent threat then I'm really not sure you understand what imminent might mean.

I'll try not to straw man your positions in the future.

 

The United States does not reflect Christian ideals.

It is that simple.

 

Not all Christians are created equal, and the values shared, the goals and priorities are vastly different. Fundamentalist Christians are a far cry from the garden variety Catholic or Protestant citizen that goes to Church 4-5 times a year and believes in a seperation of Church and State.

There are Christian Fundamentalists that will openly admit they want to do away with the separation of Church and State, codify Biblical law and take other steps.

Your reasoning is flawed. Look at it like this, which is a greater threat to Syria, Christian extremists or Islamic extremists? The answer is Islamic extremists.

Fundamentalists that wish to greatly influence or destroy our way of life are dangerous.

 

I know, those damn liberals scare me too..

 

Christian theocracy is to Muslim theocracy as auto travel is to air travel. You'll get in a lot more wrecks with a crazy Christian, but once Muslim theocracy runs out of gas you and everyone around you will fall out of the air and ****ing die.

 

I remain unconvinced that you have ever made a post of any worthwhile substance in this subsection. I'm not sure what you considered gained with your random drop ins to say something so useless.

 

Here in your poll question...

View Poll Results: True or False: Christian theocracy is a more imminent threat to American democracy than Sharia Law.

 

Ok, neither is imminent at all.

The fact that we have lived with the threat of Christianity for 200+ years lends me to believe that Sharia might be MORE imminent. That and the fact that Sharia has no tolerance for other religions and that fact puts it at odds with one of the primary freedoms our country was founded on.

Anyway, I think I have said all this already so I'm done here.