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Math Lesson

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by a711, Feb 22, 2015.

  1. a711

    a711 Member

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    There seems to be some confusion regarding this, so just a reminder for those that are math-challenged:


    Shooting 33% from 3 is the exact same as shooting 50% from 2.


    The exact same.
     
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    This thread gave me super ebola
     
  3. a711

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    So for example - for people who complain about the Rockets shooting too many 3's - I want Trevor shooting from 3 ALLLL DAY rather than taking jumpshots from inside the line. Especially if they are open 3's (and with James Harden on the team, many are open 3's)

    Trevor is shooting 33% from 3 for the season. While obviously we would love it to be higher - that percentage supports him taking those three point shots. It's the same as if he was shooting 50% from 2, which most would see as good.

    Bev is shooting 35.7% from 3 for the season.
     
  4. napalm06

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    Wait .... 33%..... = 50%.....

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  5. a711

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    I love Troy Barnes, and yes this concept would be beyond him. and apparently beyond too many people here.
     
  6. dmoneybangbang

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    Good info. While, I too wanted another ballhandler to take pressure off Harden, just improving our 3 pt % by a few points would do wonders for our offense.
     
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    In a mathematical vacuum, yes. But in reality, no. If you shoot 50% from 2, teams are going to have to adjust their defense to stop you, thus you open up the 3s for your team. And two point shooters get fouled much, much more often, so you're TS% will be higher from your players who shoot 50% from two. And it is in fact verifiable, the top 2FG% teams also have the highest TS%.

    And consider these NBA facts:
    • Only 6 teams in the NBA are shooting 50% from 2
    • All but 8 teams in the NBA are shooting 33%
     
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  8. a711

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    Absolutely. If only Trevor was shooting a tiny bit better we would be so much better.


    I really hope pablo helps.


    Also hope kpap works on his three
     
  9. a711

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    It is true that two pointers lead to more fouls - but that is going INSIDE the paint, which is the other part of our strategy. We do have that part covered and we do go to the line a decent amount.

    Midrange twos don't draw fouls.

    The other advantage to shooting threes is long offensive rebounds which turn into more possessions
     
  10. a711

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    Any NBA team that shoots 50 percent from two has a loot of dunks and Deandre type plays to help that number.
     
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    But more missed shots = more posessions for the other team.
     
  12. a711

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    the other team gets the ball whether you miss the shot or make the shot. In fact, if you miss a three, you're more likely to get the ball back than a missed midrange two.
     
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    Missed 3s are often long rebounds. And those lead to fast breaks. Makes don't lead to fastbreaks.

    I am not against our strategy - but it's definetly not the same...
     
  14. a711

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    i don't even know what this means.

    In reality - YES. It's math. math IS reality.


    Most of our offense (because of our current roster) is Harden creating shots - with this being the case, we would rather have Trevor and PB taking those open three's rather than attempting to drive to the basket (which they are horrible at) or driving to midrange and popping up for a shot.

    The entire point of this thread was to point out that people would seem happier if somehow Trevor was able to step up right inside the line and shoot a two pointer 50 percent of the line, but doing so 33% of the time behind the line is just as good. and the point is that Trevor CAN'T shoot 50 % from inside the line.

    He just can't.


    Just keep this stuff in mind next time you watch the game.
     
  15. crossover

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    Here is a simple math lesson for OP.

    The league average TS% is over 54%. A top offensive contending team usually is around 57% or higher.

    If a player shoots 33% from 3 point land (which has very few foul shots), that player is shooting well below the league average in efficiency.

    And no, you didnt get HP's post on how to calculate a player's true shooting efficiency. FTA matter if youre going to go down this road.
     
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    I don't need math to tell me that Ariza should most certainly not be shooting seven 3's a night
     
  17. a711

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    Yes of course FT matter. We are getting FT from two point shots IN THE PAINT.


    You Realize that's also a major point of our strategy?
     
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    TS% + xRAPM - (+/-) = GARBAGE ^2/GARBAGE + Scola -McGrady
     
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    Life has new meaning now
     
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    So would you rather he take seven midrange shots instead where he shoots like 40 percent?


    Your post is what this entire thread was meant to address. It may look ugly and be demoralizing to see missed shots - but Ariza shooting 33% on those 7 threes is the same number of points for us as shooting 50% on seven midrange Junp shots, and I have a bridge to sell you if you think Ariza is going to hit 50% consistently on midrange shots, if he was even able to get open in that range.
     

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