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True or False statement regarding Christians and Muslims in the United States

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, Feb 19, 2015.

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True or False: Christian theocracy is a more imminent threat to American democracy than Sharia Law.

  1. True

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  2. False

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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    I would like to pose this question to specifically those who fear that the threat of Islam is more prevalent to American democracy than Christianity.

    True or False statement: There are more evangelical Christians in the United States that are adamant about imposing their theocratic principles in to law than there are Muslim Americans trying to impose their theocratic principles in to law.

    I ask this question because I feel as if I am not being fair in my criticism of Islam. I still believe that Islam at it's core is a "bad" idea. The notion that a man who lived around 600AD who committed rape and murder is an example of a perfect moral human is not a notion I would advocate.

    However, As an American citizen I feel as if Christian theocracy is a more realistic threat to our republic than Sharia Law. Is my perception incorrect?
     
  2. bnb

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    Sharia Law -> Emboldens the crazies -> More attacks -> Greater fears -> Loss of privacy and freedoms in US and elsewhere -> greater threat to democracy.

    The influence of Christian theocracy is lessening in the US and the world, while the push for Sharia Law seems to be increasing.

    FWIW I disagree that Islam is a "bad" idea at its core, but I do think Sharia law is an abomination for human rights and an incredible step backwards for us all.
     
  3. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    Your answer is regarding the OUTCOME of an implementation of Sharia vs Christian theocracy. My question is regrading which theocratic rule is more likely or imminent in the United States.
     
  4. TexasFight

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    Absolutely true. I was in Kansas visiting clients yesterday and there were signs everywhere stating "Pray to end abortion" and then had the contact information for local representatives to, i guess, express that prayer... Very odd signs overall

    Christianity has long been a tool used to influence American legislation.

    Islam? Not at all.
     
  5. DCkid

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    I voted Christian theocracy, but I'm not sure if it's much of a threat or at all likely. Yeah, there might be a congressional lobby that help keep god's name in the pledge of allegiance or some other inconsequential thing that does nothing to improve or worsen any one's life one iota. But given the trend of decreasing devotion to the church (especially among young people), I feel like this "threat" weakens every day. I'm not concerned.
     
  6. bnb

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    then you may as well ask whether the Rockets or the Mavericks will win the Stanley Cup first...because neither is even remotely likely.

    My post was about the effect that Sharia law (as accepted in other countries) is having on US democracy and freedoms today. Much more imminent. Its a whole global village thing...and an attack in France, or the UK inspired by Islamic nutters influences what we accept here.

    The Patriot Act, Guantanamo, NSA wiretaps, are all justified, rationalized and readily accepted due to fears fueled by the Islamic radicals.

    We don't have to implement Sharia Law for it to be a more imminent threat on American freedoms.
     
  7. Amiga

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    You need to define American democracy.

    I think you meant influencing American way of lives through laws, which than yes, Christianity would be since they are the majority and hold the most power. Muslim is too small of a group and hold no political power to have much of any influence on American laws.
     
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    Y'All-Qaeda > Al-Qaeda
     
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    The Muslim population in America is probably on the of the most secular in the world, I doubt any of them want to implement the Sharia law in the US.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    I don't think either of them is a threat to 'democracy.' In that regard, why isn't secular humanism on the list as well? You have an implicit assumption in asking the question that democracy must be secular. That does happen to be our Constitutional setup, but not intrinsic to democracy in general, imo. If political evangelicalism or Sharia is a threat, it's to our governmental secularism.

    In the latter case, certainly evangelicals have a lot more power and we do get some asinine legislation as a result. But, as existential threats go, no I don't think it's material.
     
  11. CometsWin

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    There's no such thing as Sharia in the United States so it's an easy answer.
     
  12. Amiga

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    Maybe relative to the rest of the world, but I don't think they are secular at all. I think in % of their population, Muslim are more religious than US population as a whole. Also, one interesting pew # I saw is the younger Muslim population is actually relatively more "radical" than the older Muslim population in the US.
     
  13. Remii

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    Those foreign terrorist can't even set off an underwear bomb... Lol. You got played.

    Watch "Rockefeller Reveals 9 11 FRAUD and New World Order to Aaron Russo" on YouTube
    Rockefeller Reveals 9 11 FRAUD and New World Order to Aaron Russo: http://youtu.be/FuinaIm-kd4
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

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    Pretty much this
     
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    From what you are saying, it logically follows that you don't think sharia law is at the core of Islam.

    I think most Muslims in the world would absolutely disagree with that assessment.
     
  16. bnb

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    hmmmm.....seems I answered the question in the poll....about whether theocracy is a more imminent threat than Sharia....rather than the question in the opening post about the number of people trying to impose their principles. Different answers.

    But in the spirit of this statement:
    I present:

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/27Tj-Xo_eqI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    No one's going to tell me
    What's wrong and what's right
    Or tell me who to eat with, sleep with

    (ATW -- I avoid the theology debates -- met too many good muslim folx, and a few not so good bible thumpers).
     
  17. Invisible Fan

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    The biggest threat to democracy is whomever blindly worships the church of Capitalism on the altar of Wall Street. It's like their belief is fueled stronger by the Invisible Hand's sporadic reach arounds to the working classes.

    There's some merit in thinking Conservative wackos hold back science or hot button issues like contraception and std prevention in our USAID policies to other parts of the world, but as an actual threat, they're more of a vocal and diminishing minority than an actively destructive political force.

    Eroding our rights and public institutions has been the product of neither religious group.
     
  18. SwoLy-D

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    I think probably should know or learn what "imminent" means before asking a bunch of people an opinion on it.

    It ALREADY happened. Check out the dollar bills and the coins. :eek:
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    I'm speaking in relative terms here. I understand that Christian theocracy is not a legitimate threat other than some prevalent movements by evangelicals in our public schools, and a few court houses, however it is a more imminent threat than Sharia Law.

    I'm just going to be blunt here and just explicitly state that my intentions here are to reveal the blatant hypocrisy by the right wing on their fear of Islamic rule over the United States. Rationally, if an American citizen were to have fear of theocratic rule, it would be fear of Christian rule over Islamic rule yet several state legislators fear to death sharia law for some odd reason.

    What I find most frustrating is when a right wing political such as Allen West states that for him to trust a Muslim, he needs to hear that Muslim explicitly state that the U.S. constitution supersedes the Quran, yet if someone were to ask a evangelical right wing politician what is more important "The Bible or the Constitution", they would more than likely answer the Bible and follow it with some apologetic bull crap such as "The constitution was founded on Biblical law" or some hoar-**** similar to that. It's a remarkable example of cognitive dissonance.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    I would really appreciate some evidence especially on the first assertion. Reason being is the U.S. has drastically different immigration policies relative to Europe in general on immigrants from Muslim dominated regions. I'll be honest, most of my objection to your assertion is based purely on my personal anecdotal experience, as I was raised in a Muslim household and was involved in the Muslim community in multiple states. Most of my family and family friends who immigrated came through with student visas. Student visas are relatively hard to obtain. Usually you must be a top student at your respective school in your respective country of origin as there are limited slots available. Most of the Muslim population that I have experience with are highly educated and have highly skilled professions such as doctors and engineers.

    Also, majority of Muslim citizens vote democrat thus they either implicitly or explicitly advocate evangelical no-no's such as gay marriage and abortion rights. In the Muslim community, gay marriage isn't a political issue, while in the evangelical community it is.
     

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