The only thing Morey is doing with the IT talks is sniffing out how little he can throw on the table to get him. So he can flip him somewhere else for a better asset than he originally had. We're not taking on IT's contract.
I am sure Morey has a price he is willing to pay for Goron knowing we will have his bird rights and assuming we re-sign him our core group is set in stone and we will make a run with a team that looks like this Assuming Jones is gone and Beverley walks as a free agent moving forward Howard D-Mo Ariza Harden Dragic Bench of Smith/Cannon/Pap and potentially Lull for your rotation guys. If I can get this with draft picks and Jones I am all in
So hypothetically would Thomas start or come off the bench? Id prefer him coming off the bench dont think he fits with the starters
I frequent the Suns Realgm forum on occasion and based on what I've read, IT is the bane of their supporter group's existence. My brother is a Suns supporter and he hates IT as well. Apparently Kings fans were stoked that he left as well which should give you a good indicator of how little his supposedly "good" stats, translate into wins.
Exactly JJ. Barea has helped win big games for Mavs in finals Nate Robinson has helped win big games for Bulls in playoffs Brooks here. .... Terry is a expiring, mchale seems to not like cannan so we need a solid playmaking backup PG regardless, or get ready for lin
I said in the other thread that Thomas would be a nice consolation prize if the Suns aren't willing to deal Dragic(and no other PG like Lawson is available). Defensively the team may suffer a little, but offensively he'd be a very nice addition. In just under 26 minutes a game, he's scoring over 15 points and knocking down 39% of his 3's. And that's without the kind of open looks he'll be getting from playing alongside Harden. I have no idea what the Suns would want back in return, but the Rockets certainly have the ability to send a couple guys over there with matching salaries. Papa and Shved. Papa and T-Jones. Terry and Dorsey. And obviously draft picks would be included as well(not sure which ones though). The #1 target should still be Dragic of course, but unless Morey and Les really truly believe they're gonna sign a big name free agent come 2016, I don't think they should turn down a chance to acquire a scoring threat like Thomas on a pretty reasonable contract just to maintain "flexibility".
Bringing in IT hinders our FA opportunities and would require us to send out a real asset with him if we wanted to clear cap. Morey is not going to do it. Might as well quit talking about it.
Wouldn't trading for Dragic also hinder our FA opportunities? Granted, he's a borderline All-Star, so he may be worth it in the Rockets' minds. But whether they traded for Dragic or Thomas, they'd have big money invested in a point guard come next season(assuming they don't let Dragic walk). Also, wouldn't resigning Brewer and Smith hinder their FA opportunities anyway? How can Morey and Les maintain "flexibility" without letting those guys sign elsewhere? Paging all cap experts!:grin:
oH I agree that pg defence is overrated. HOWEVER IT has NO defence. NONE. Plus he seems to be a malcontent to every team he has gone to. Not a lockeroom cancer but by running other PGs out of town and not accepting his role.
I don't know. Maybe becaue Dragic is an actual expiring while Thomas has two-three more years in his contract ? Or maybe he means with Dragic you have your super trio and you don't even aim for top FAs while with Thomas you are still looking. And will have to flip him somewhere else to open cap space but looks like Suns are unable to do so , so the market isn't so good for him .
Weren't people saying that about Josh Smith when Detroit cut him? Granted, he wasn't anything close to a cancer(even though the media tried to portray him that way), but there's no doubt he was a bad fit there and needed to find the right team that would utilize him properly. I just don't think it's fair to write off Thomas just yet. He played 3 seasons with a crappy Kings organization that didn't even know if it was gonna be staying in Sacramento during that timeframe. Then he goes to a Suns team that was good, but overloaded at the PG spot. The Rockets need a 2nd playmaker and scorer to take pressure off of Harden. They also need someone who can reliably knock down open 3's. If Thomas can't succeed in that role here, then I guess at that point it would be safe to close the book on his NBA career(at least as a starting PG).
Smith WAS a cancer in Detroit. He couldn't accept his role and the roster was very poorly constructed. He has accepted his role in Houston.Maybe it is similar and IT can accept his role as 6th man off the bench here as well. Who knows. (the door should already be closed at him being a starting PG in the league...from the minute he was drafted. 5'11'' => can't defend . )
The reason Dragic wont hinder us is because he's going to be a FA. Thomas will still be under contract. Might have to give up more to get rid of Thomas' contract.
If u expect to get some FAs in the summer, u will be dissapointed again. We havn't so much cap and we will lose our FAs
There are options with Dragic: 1. He could wind up signing for a market value around what Rubio signed for. That would help us in our free agent pursuit in 2016. We would only have to worry about moving Ariza out if we needed cap space for a max free agent in 16. OR...the cap may go high enough that we can squeeze in a max contract without moving Ariza....if Goran's cap number is right. 2. Goran could agree to take his player option and play for $7.5 million in 2015 and look for the motherlode payday in 2016. If that happened he would only be on the books for $7.5 million this summer and a cap hold of $11.25 million next summer. That goes a long way towards helping us sign a max free agent. And Goran just may do it if he feels like he'll make more money next summer. 3. IF we trade for IT.....that's over $14 million of annual salary that we would possibly have to try to move out in 2016 if we wanted to get Durant (or some other max free agent since there will be a large number of max free agents available in 2016). Thomas and Ariza are not going to be able to be given away. Ariza may be considered good value but it would still be difficult to give him away right now for no incoming salary. Same thing with Thomas. Especially in the summer when players are making free agent decisions. If a player decides he wants Houston and the whole league knows Houston has to dump salary to sign him....do you think you're going to find any team that is simply going to use up their cap space to take in Ariza and Thomas????? Look, if teams have that kind of cap space, they're not looking it to fill it with that class of players. This is why you can write off guys like Calderon and Thomas. We're not going to take on any more mid-level salaries extending into 2016 cap space unless they are star/superstar level players that are relatively young OR they are players on rookie contracts who have proven they are value on their rookie deals. You're wasting time discussing Thomas.
Correct. And if we are to believe that Morey knows about finding players that fit us and can be utilized properly, then here's the gist of it. Morey has continuously tried to get Josh Smith throughout his tenure, by trade for via FA. Morey has never, ever been rumored with Thomas. Not even when he's basically rumored to be after every single FA, he was never part of the IT discussion. Nor was he ever rumored to ask for Thomas during the trade deadline.
Smith couldn't accept his role in Detroit because it was a stupid one. He's a 4 and they were trying to fit him in as a 3. Not to mention he's better off as a spark off the bench at this stage of his career. He's embraced that here and gets to play as a 4 both of which have helped him bounce back in a big way. I'm not saying I want Thomas here over Dragic. Clearly Dragic is the better option for a multitude of reasons. But if hypothetically the Suns don't wanna deal him here(or demand too much like D-Mo and the NOP pick) and no other PG is available out there, I'd rather take a shot on someone like Thomas than just stand pat(no pun intended).
