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[Dragic Watch 2015] Phoenix Pre-ASG Stretch of Destiny

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  1. solid

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    I have a feeling that he is coming to Houston one way (trade deadline) or another (as a free agent this summer.) Destiny. Depending on who goes to get him, he will make the Rockets scary good.
     
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  2. count_dough-ku

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    Not that you want your players yucking it up after their 5th loss in 6 games, but this was their last game before the All-Star Break. Maybe that's why they were in such high spirits.
     
    #62 count_dough-ku, Feb 10, 2015
  3. thesonofsam

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    He is not getting traded. Give it up.
     
    #63 thesonofsam, Feb 10, 2015
  4. Koperboy

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    A nice piece about why Dragic probably doesn't get traded.

    Guys at BSOTS are well aware about tremendous amount of interest from Rockets for Dragic, so the writer dedicated a whole paragraph to us:

    I don't necessarily agree with him, as Phoenix can use a third team who needs picks and young talent from us, get a veteran in return and send us Dragic. The only problem is finding such a third team...
     
    #64 Koperboy, Feb 11, 2015
  5. rockets13champs

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    If some how we give afflalo or wilson chandler or faried to phoenix and we get dragic
    Idk if salaries work
    But if we give maybe tjones,kpaps or shved to get dragic and phoenix gets afflalo or faried and nuggets get all 3 players from us and a couple from phoenix and couple drafts picks from both teams
     
    #65 rockets13champs, Feb 11, 2015
  6. shastarocket

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    What a weak argument. I don't believe Gogi is getting traded but his limitations make it seem like Morey is only capable of playing on the trade machine. There are so many other factors at play.

    Also Montiejunas?

    Cmon man
     
    #66 shastarocket, Feb 11, 2015
  7. count_dough-ku

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    That's not entirely accurate. True, the Rockets' assets(at least the ones they're willing to give up) aren't great. But T-Jones is a decent player. Papa is versatile, although still raw and unproven. And that New Orleans pick will likely be in the lottery.

    The real key with Dragic is does Phoenix believe they have a good shot at resigning him. If they get the impression he's gone after this season, why not get something for him now rather than nothing this summer?

    I still don't think he gets moved before the deadline. At least not to the Rockets. But Phoenix has to be nervous over falling out of the playoff picture. I just took a look at their remaining schedule and it is not easy. There are at least a dozen or more likely losses looming and 45 wins probably isn't enough to get in.
     
    #67 count_dough-ku, Feb 11, 2015
  8. Koperboy

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    But that's not what Phoenix wants. They have enough assets in players (TJ Warren, Goodwin, Ennis) and picks (their own and Lakers top5 protected). They are looking to improve the team. TJones and Kpap don't do that. If they can't find the time to play Goodwin and Warren, how could they find time for someone like KPap?

    I say they will trade Dragic if an allstar SF or PF become available before Feb. 19. I listed interesting players above, but I doubt they get someone like Millsap. So Dragic probably stays in PHX till end of the season, misses the playoffs and walks away. He probably doesn't sign with Houston because he will look to get more than Lowry got this summer and HOU can't afford that.
     
    #68 Koperboy, Feb 11, 2015
  9. ApolloRLB

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    Crazy idea (will never happen):

    Melo to the Suns
    Dragic to the Rockets
    All Phoenix/Houston 1st rounders plus expiring salary to the Knicks
     
    #69 ApolloRLB, Feb 11, 2015
  10. redhotrox

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    Originally posted in cyberx thread:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Hearing Suns want a first-rounder for Goran Dragic and, rest assured, they'll get it. Rockets got to be tempted.</p>&mdash; Gery Woelfel (@GeryWoelfel) <a href="https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/565699990711173122">February 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
    <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
    #70 redhotrox, Feb 11, 2015
  11. Clutch

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    http://arizonasports.com/41/1806908/Phoenix-Suns-GM-McDonough-Our-roster-balance-is-a-little-off

    Phoenix Suns GM McDonough: 'Our roster balance is a little off'

    It's difficult to look at the Phoenix Suns' roster and not see a glut of guards.

    Or, rather, a glut of guards who like to and are capable of putting the ball in the basket.

    From a purely statistical standpoint, it appears the addition of Isaiah Thomas has created a bit of an issue for the team.

    While Thomas is having a solid season, averaging 15.2 points in 25.7 minutes per game off the bench, the trio of Eric Bledsoe, Goran Dragic and Gerald Green have all seen their scoring averages drop from last season.

    The Suns also have four fewer wins now than they did at the same point in last season's schedule.

    "I think our roster balance is a little off, and that's my fault," Suns GM Ryan McDonough told Burns and Gambo on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM Wednesday. "We are a little too backcourt heavy, especially in terms of guys who, you know, I think you'd define primarily as scorers in the backcourt.

    "So I think at some point we'll need to balance that out, try to get a little more size, a little more frontcourt scoring and rebounding."

    It's not as if the Suns are a terrible team because of their crowded backcourt; conversely, having such strong guard play has helped them to a 29-25 record along with the eighth-best record in the difficult Western Conference.

    But they have lost five of their last six games and seven of their last 10, and at a time when you'd like to see the team improving, they appear to be going in the opposite direction.

    With the NBA's Feb. 19 trade deadline approaching, it's possible a move will be made, but McDonough said it's not that simple.

    "At the same time it's a challenge because we do have talented players, they've all had success individually and team success in the NBA," he said, "so those are some of the decisions we'll kind of mull over the next week or so and we'll see where we are on the 19th next week."
     
    #71 Clutch, Feb 11, 2015
  12. A_3PO

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    Dragic is almost certainly a goner but the Rockets won't be the only team wanting him.

    Can the Pelicans 1st rounder get anything better him? I doubt it.
     
    #72 A_3PO, Feb 11, 2015
  13. emcitymisfit

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    top 14 =/= lottery

    Lottery is top 3. Pick is protected from winning the lottery therefore is not a lottery pick.
     
    #73 emcitymisfit, Feb 12, 2015
  14. hooroo

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    15 teams will have cap space in free agency. those teams will be thionking why give up anything when we can just sign without givinbg up assets. bird rights are meaningless for those teams.
     
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  15. count_dough-ku

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    The NBA lottery consists of the 14 teams who don't make the playoffs. They all get ping pong balls and a shot at a top 3 pick. If you don't make it to the postseason, you're a lotto team. Trust me. Ask any of us Rockets fans who were around during the Steve Francis and post-Yao Ming/pre-James Harden eras.
     
    #75 count_dough-ku, Feb 12, 2015
  16. emcitymisfit

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    Yes I'm aware of how the lottery works. we aren't in the lottery because the lottery only applies to the top 3 picks, which we have no shot of getting. They don't draw for picks 1-14, they draw for 1-3.
     
    #76 emcitymisfit, Feb 12, 2015
  17. Castor27

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    You are referring to lottery winners, the lottery refers to the top 14 picks actually. A lottery pick according to anyone that pays any attention to the NBA is a top 14 pick. I bought a powerball ticket last night, it didn't win. That doesn't mean I was not in the lottery, I just had a losing ticket. Pick 14 is still in the lottery, not moving up to 1-3 doesn't change that fact. When you are talking trades for picks a lottery pick is one in 1-14 range. It may be top 3, top 5 or even top 10 protected, but it is still considered a lottery pick.
     
    #77 Castor27, Feb 12, 2015
  18. Koperboy

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    It's interesting how a fan base softens when the trade rumours begin to sprout only few days before the trade deadline. If you asked any knowledgable PHX fan if they would trade Goran for Dmo and NOP pick one month ago, they'd think you're crazy. Today? They are warming to the idea fast, but the problem is Dmo is probably off the table right now...
     
    #78 Koperboy, Feb 12, 2015
  19. shastarocket

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    Haha this is so damn true! I saw the same thing happen with Rondo and Celtics fans. At the end I think most of them felt Ainge was robbed by Dallas.
     
    #79 shastarocket, Feb 12, 2015
  20. JayZ750

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    Lotto picks is a term use to describe picks 1-14. This is because all of those picks have a shot at winning the lottery. Yes, the picks that are subject to lotto drawing are picks 1-3, but the teams that can move into those 1-3 spots are all of the teams representing picks 1-14.

    This is why picks 1-14 are described as lotto/lottery picks.

    When a trade is made with a first round pick and someone uses the term lotto protection, it means that the pick will only convey if the team sending the pick out is in the playoffs. If a pick is top 3 protected, you will hear about it being top 3 protected, not lotto protected, since lotto more broadly applies to 1-14.
     
    #80 JayZ750, Feb 12, 2015
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