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Charles Barkley vs Daryl Morey

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HoustonTexas, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. yo

    yo Member

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    Ah, now I see where you're coming from -- You don't agree with me, therefore, you should root for another team and also have a bad sense of humor.
     
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  2. HTM

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    these guys are idiots
     
  3. jump shooter

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    Charles Barkley is the quintessential village idiot. For some strange reason he's got the biggest woody for the Rockets and god only knows why. But you gotta admit its entertaining lol
     
  4. saleem

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    I don't pay much heed to his comments. Analytics are a tool to assist the team, nothing more than that. We need to keep on improving as a team. I also feel that Morey should have kept quiet. There is nothing to be gained by responding to him.
     
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    At the end of the day analytics without context and the bigger picture is BS. You need to combine the old school eye test with analytics. Chuck doesn't realize that.

    He doesn't know that Morey goes to games plenty to scout people with the eye test first and then apply whatever math nerdy formulas.

    Chuck thinks Morey just sits behind his computer along with 10 other geeks punching numbers and running computational analysis
     
  6. yo

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    What's even more funny is when you disagree with someone, you also start taking that person's jokes more literally so you can be a smart ass about it.
     
  7. RoxBeliever

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    Tom Ziller of SBNation dissing Charles:

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: Here is, without a doubt, the stupidest, most useless, most uninformed rant about basketball analytics you will ever hear, courtesy of one Charles Barkley. I share it only because folks will be talking about it and you, dear reader, deserve to experience the full idiocy if you so choose.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/2/11/8017915/james-harden-charles-barkley-gmib
     
  8. Rocketman95

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    I agree, that is funny.
     
  9. jscmedia

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    and all he's really done is lucked into harden which brought in Howard.

    Someone actually wrote this about Morey ?

    That's all Morey has done is get lucky ????????????????????????????????
     
  10. jscmedia

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    So you DID get league pass eh ? Now you're an expert ! clap clap
     
  11. Angkor Wat

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    But hes not only analytics. Its a big part of his philosophy but it isn't everything. You don't need analytics to tell you to trade almost nothing for Harden or rarely have the team tied down with bad contracts. Morey is so much more than just stats. Hes been a great GM. Only one team out of 32 can win it all. We never had to tank or sucked like one of the worst teams.

    Also, what Morey does, can only take you so far. The product still has to preform on the court so you can't put all the blame on Morey for the lack of success that we been through.
     
  12. Rocketman95

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    That's the kind of people you deal with when they're taking this ignorant, ring-less, "gets so many women cause he pays 'em" blowhard over Morey. It's best to just view them with pity and move on.
     
  13. Obito

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    Since there probably won't be one, I'll recap.

    He said:

    Charles was dead wrong

    Analytics and talent work together with talent & chemistry & that's how you have a successful team

    It's 2015, we should know that they work together

    The rockets found out that the mid range game is inefficient & it works for them

    Mentioned that Charles was wrong about the Rockets being the worst defensive team in the league & brought up the stats.

    Every successful team uses analytics

    That nerds can get girls too lol

    To stop the narrative that being smart is un-cool
     
  14. Amel

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    You are correct, talent and analytics, but Barkley speaks in simple terms.

    Houston is known for the analytics part, and on TV thats what analysts talk about when we play. We can talk about how both are a part of a championship team, but in general terms, talent beats analytics.
     
  15. jscmedia

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    Rocketman, I know, it's, well it's just been going on for so many years that I just can't take it much more.

    Oh if only Yao had not gone down......the bridge from Malone to Ralph to Hakeem to Yao was so beautiful...but it was not to be.

    Sincerely hope Dwight has a turn around and we get at least 2 more years of his B game. Even my wife has given up on him. That has taken some doing.

    But until you have a significant injury it is so easy to lay it at not trying hard enough, over the hill, etc. Time will tell.
     
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    This pretty much

    I can't believe people are still saying, hurr Rockets lost first round, therefore analytics is bullshet.
     
  17. justtxyank

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    You say that, but Morey was the only one who went after Harden and NBA teams are NOTORIOUS for loading themselves down with bad contracts. The NBA's biggest issue in the CBA negotiations is that the NBA owners need a CBA that protects them from themselves.
     
  18. Texanasiafan

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    Every analytics must work around actual environment otherwise its just pure theory.

    Above logic is the simple logic, but as I said, how to max those shots to let your team to reach the highest potential % is the real key.

    How to create more wide open and set shots? You will need good penetrators and good passers, and you will want to have very strong inside presence.

    Entering Harden and Dwight.

    Do you think the Rockets can play this similar style of balls with Lin as your major ball handler and Asik being your inside presence?

    Analytic is a tool, a very important tool, a logic, a very simple logic, but you are not based on it to dictate your play, you build your team around this logic and max the outcome.
     
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    This doesn't make any sense at all. It makes no sense just like saying "drywall beats hard work". Makes no sense.

    Analytics is using numbers to analyze something to help make decisions. It's another way to evaluate talent. There is no such thing as "talent beats analytics" or "analytics beats talent". That doesn't make any sense.

    Analytics will tell you James Harden is an amazing basketball player, just like the eye test will. James Harden is talented. Statistics support the notion that James Harden is a talented player.
     
  20. SWTsig

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    what does this even mean? morey is applying the same analytics that the spurs use and the mavericks use and the heat use and yada yada yada... simply bc the rockets haven't found playoff success doesn't mean that's an indicment on analytics as a whole. only one team out of 30 can win the title in any given year... regardless of how good your analytics are all teams but one will ultimately lose.

    i guess i just don't understand this argument. analytics is a tool in helping to evaluate talent and strengths of individual players and teams and is used to perfect strategy. this notion that talent and analytics are at odds is perplexing to me. how else do you determine who is and isnt good if you don't analyze and categorize players based on their on court production?

    people are stupid.
     

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