Isn't analytics just using the data we can get and applying statistical analysis on it? NBA teams track ball and player movement through the Sports VU cameras they mandated on every arena. What else would they use the data for? I'm sure Morey wishes (or is still thinking up) of other ways to measure other data. I think he once said team defense is the hardest to measure in terms of analytics.
what was the narrative in the first place? That Barkley has an anti-Rockets agenda? That has been illustrated in the highest degree by his ignorant comments. People debate it- at least I am- because it is a nice topic and it is always entertaining to discover some misconceptions or other point of views. And I'm bored.
Like I said earlier in the thread, Barkley is ignorant and Morey likes to talk a lot on Twitter which I don't think is very wise as GM of a team. But at the end of the day, its about results. I've been a big critic of Morey since last year's latest playoff collapse and his insistance of rolling with his puppet McHale. The jury really is still out on him being that great of a GM. I don't doubt him being a smart man and he has made some good deals. He has also been very lucky at times (the chips falling where Harden was traded by OKC for little to nothing, Smith being released by Detroit, etc.) However, until the Rox at least get out of the first round of the playoffs and make at least a decent playoff run, I don't think Morey should be seen as a great GM. Its about results. We're not even talking about WCF, I'm sure a lot on here would be ecstatic if the Rox finally just made it out of the first round. Up to this point, I don't feel Morey's tenure here has been all that special and if the first round exits continue to pile up, his job should be in question along with McHale.
Until Morey gets us to the promised land or even a WCF, all these anlaytics will mean nothing. You can use all the analytics in the world but its meaningless if you continue to be 1st round knock outs.
I think that's where analytics come to play. If a guy is shooting maybe 40% from mid range jump shots, the argument would be "hey a 3 pt shot at a 33% efficiency is much better"
I'm not. I like to witness history as is so far his perfomance and I like to cheer for underdogs. Like his whole carreer has been. The guy has been traded for a copying machine...I wish he can keep it up.
Math can't beat talent? Math can't replace coaching? What the hell are you morons talking about? Analytics measures talent. Analytics refines coaching. Analytics clarifies these things. It is used alongside traditional means. It shows you what the best shots are. It shows you where you'd probably get the best shots. It shows you what players want to do when playing defense against them. It gives GM's a better shot at predicting performance and uncovering overlooked talent. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than blind belief in tradition? Yes a thousand times yes.
What a shame. I always liked Sir Charles' outspoken nature. I still do, but, ironically, it seems like the best place for it would be not in basketball commentary. I'd love for him to run for political office.
Barkley and co. cannot stop the worldwide trend in sports to go into analytics. He should educate himself about it instead of rail against it. Only one team wins an NBA championship every year. Just because HOU has not won doesn't mean analytics is wrong, because other winners have definitely used it. Our defense sucks because Howard is injured. Nothing to do with analytics. Even Morey is thinking of upgrading the team. He knows this is not a championship team yet.
I don't think Barkley is "anti-Rockets" as an organization. Before the game he spoke about how the Rockets treated him really well & about how he loved Rudy T and his time in Houston. However, I do think that when it comes to analyzing basketball, he just makes a lot of assumptions..and many of them are bad. just an example: "Yao Ming makes Sean Bradley look like Bill Russell. You say he's gonna get 19 points in a game? Why dont you go without eating until he [Yao] gets 19 points in a game? You'll weigh about 12 pounds!" I do think that analytics have an important place in basketball, but not the overuse of analytics. However, to discount them completely is just as bad as overemphasizing them. . .
So let's compare the Hawks, Warrios, and Spurs offenses to ours? Tremendous difference, our players stand around and wait for a high PnR between Dmo and Harden, Josh and Harden, D12 and Harden, Djones n Harden, Harden n Harden... u get my drift. While the aforementioned teams create a lot more movement. So what stat is there that tracks ball and player movement and where do we rank in those categories?
Yes. The narrative should have been Barkley said something completely factually incorrect... and Morey responded to it because he felt Barkley's inherent bias was getting in the way of his analysis. If the Rockets issued a statement that water is wet, Barkley would question it. I have no problem with Morey then pointing out his bias. What I do have a problem with is a 10+ page thread (and countless morning shows/articles today) turning this into a "analytics" debate... when that was never the intention of Morey's tweet nor is it even being discussed all that well. But that is the power of Barkley's comments.
BINGO! It has to be used in conjunction with "traditional means", but it can't be discounted completely.
There are more and more ways analytics are used. I.E there was an article that the Bucks hired a face recognition guy to watch tape see the hidden emotions of the players on the court by face microexpressions and convert it into future chemistry, demeanor and intangibles. NOW even I found it preposterous and a joke. But so far it seems to be working.(Exum was labeled as timid from his microexpressions and so far has been fully validated) So what may at first seem a joke will be tested and yield results or not. But there are more and more ways the teams analyse everything that happens. And true defence is hard to analyse. But that's why analytics is another TOOL and it is combined with the eye test and tape.
I think Charles fell asleep watching Moneyball and now he thinks he knows analytics. If he even played a minute of NBA 2k 14/15 he would know Spolstra uses analytics as a conversation starter, mixing it with traditional basketball knowledge. Hell, does Chuck think McHale is also an MIT alumni? McHale is an old school guy like Chuck.
Ehmm I think the narrative of Barkley dishing the Rockets has long been established and I certainly respect Morrey for deciding to fight back and not be a doormat to unfair critisism by a biased "expert".
Do you think Daryl has a computer upload point to the players brains or something? Players aren't an infinite resource where you can go "look, they do that, let's do that too" We don't have the personnel to run what they do, we don't have elite big men jump shooters, it's like asking, why didn't Lebron's Heat play like them? They must not use analytics
