ISIS chops off heads, incinerates hostages, kills gays, enslaves girls. Obama: Blame the Crusades.

Either you are being purposefully disingenuous or are you are that "dense". I'll give you the benefit and assume the former. My points have nothing to do with the validity of Obama's assertions which are subjective, but his INTENT.

 

So I guess that makes it okay and the Christians can feel good about themselves for the murder, torture, slavery of a group of people and stripping them of all culture (which is still going on to a certain extent and something they've never truly made restitution for). Also I guess it's okay that they've practically made the Native Americans extinct and a majority of the ones that's left still live in poverty on reservations. And I guess Christians even feel good about themselves for unnecessarily invading a country and making movies glorifying it.

The president's message was only lost to the Christians who walk around with their nose in the air pretending like their shyt don't stink, and making excuses to come up with justification for the evil and treacherous deeds that they've committed... Like you're doing now.

 

No, it's not okay. I don't think Christians feel good about those things, but I'm not one, so I wouldn't know.

I didn't said or intent any of those things you just thought I did.

 

Obama is really letting go .. wouldn't be surprised to see him pouring out 40s for the fallen boys soon. He's admitting islam is 800+ years behind Christianity, then suggesting it has nothing to do with the religion. It's 2015, not 1200.

 

This is a great post, but but now I think you should have realized that you just wasted your time. Texxx (looks like I was right) had no intention of engaging in a reasonable discussion. The longer I've been on this site, the more I've realized which posters to actually reply to, or actually spend the time and effort to write out more than a paragraph.

Formulas:

downbytheriver--- Do not reply. Reading his posts will only make you facepalm and write something that ultimately have no effect. He's too out there.

santiago/texxx/basso ---1 liners are the most appropriate, that's what you'll get in return regardless.

Commodore, tallanvor, et al (you can add your own posters to this strata) --1 paragraph, these posters will actually challenge your points however misguided they maybe. The context of the discussion may call for a bit more or a bit less.

ATW---You'll disagree with him a lot, but he'll add thoughtful analysis and insight. Don't be afraid to spend time writing out what you believe to be true (unless he's in insult mode calling CW or Northside "interns" and whatnot).

 

There's a thin line between intent and ignorance and we all should walk it carefully.

So what if he did mean they are equal. Who are you to decide the value of human life to say one group is more important than others. God...??? Are you in charge of making those decisions... Having an opinion on something is one thing but trying to state what is law based off your opinion is a radical line of thinking.

 

I don't know why you say stuff that I didn't said.

I'm not deciding the value of human life in any of my post here. I'm not saying if one group is better deserving than another and I don't think that way.

I don't understand "law based" comment from you. If you care to expand on it and clarify, I will reply. I really have no idea what you are talking about there.

What if Obama meant it - then I think he doesn't understand history that well. I'm saying stuff from a historic point of view of what happen then vs what happen now - I clearly stated that in my post.

 

Who are you to decide the relevance of a historical point... If history had no relevance there would be no need to study and learn from it. And what happened then is still going on now just in different forms. It can be argued that the invasion of Iraq was a crusade and allies like France were strongly against it.

 

I'm who have an opinion.

History have relevance and we certainly should study it and learn from it. We should understand it well and discern the same and differences between historical events and present events. It's too easy to group them all as the same, when rarely anything is ever the same.

I still don't know your point? I'm almost hearing you said, all wars, whatever the cause or however it's executed, is all the same (as it cause human death and suffering?). And that you see no differences between such things as the Crusades of the past vs what ISIS is doing today. Or even what ISIS is doing today vs the Iraq War? Or maybe it also extend to the Vietnam war, the Korean war, WW2, WW1... ?

I'm going to agree with you that wars is horrible and death and suffering due to wars can be viewed as who care what was the cause of it, it's still death and suffering. All equally horrible.

Where I may disagree, if I understand your view correctly, and I think this is where you are having a beef with me, is the relative differences between them. I don't view them all the same. There isn't one level of 'badness', even if the result is the same or similar to me. Both in the way wars, crusades, whatever you want to call them are/were started and are/were executed matters.

To me, what ISIS is doing today is on a different scale of the Crusades by the Church and Kings. That's my opinion based on my understanding of history.

I'm no one other a person with an opinion. Please stop trying to think that I elevate myself above others... I have a simple opinion and if you disagree, stick to the arguments against my opinion, not me personally.

 

Well just say that instead of trying to downplay other tragic events that happened in the past. It's disrespectful and insulting to those who's people had to go through that and on some levels still dealing with it now.

And despite ISIS religious beliefs they are reacting to actions that were previously committed against them (retaliation). And after they are delt with... Another group will pop up. That's how it's been throughout history and that's how it will be because for 'Great Nations' to exist they always have to take a shyt on other people at some point.

 

"[...] when you take Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, whatever, their combined killings in the name of religion––well, that would be zero."

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And Obama is the "crazy" one.

 

Wow, just wow. The idiocy of people on the right reaches no new lows.

Obama says that atrocities can be committed by any group in the name of god and people go off the range. Blame Christians? Is this guy just stupid? Just stupid!

The total disregard for intelligent thinking and logic on the right is downright scary. I can't believe these people. I know there's plenty of stupid liberals, but this is just downright scary that this man can't even have an ounce of listening comprehension.

I mean, Bigtexxx is obviously a robot, but that there are so many of them.

 

This guy is a ****ing tool and needs to be slapped. Fox news is criminal, spreading ignorance is one of the worst things you can do. Sadly, all he did was prove Obama's words, "We need to get off our high horse.." -->

as this idiot anchor has a problem with "mentioning christianity and islam in the same sentence."

 

he is just "cashin in" it says it right there in the corner

 

Capitalism doesn't require truth, just perception

 

The crusades weren't the only thing our president mentioned... He also brought up the Jim Crow era which didn't happen 500 years ago but I notice the good Christian people choose to ignore that.

'The lynching and torture of blacks in the Jim Crow South weren’t just acts of racism. They were religious rituals.' http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ks_and_christianity_the_terror_inflicted.html

Even from 1950 to the 70's places like Birmingham, Alabama was known as 'Bombingham' because of all of the black people's homes they blew up... And many white people who where trying to help fight against the evil being committed by other whites were murdered as well.

When the mirror is put in front of you, you can't face the devil you see... So get down off that high horse before you fall and break your neck.

 

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Is this f***ing real life??? What the f*** man??