1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Are conservatives anti-science?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. fallenphoenix

    fallenphoenix Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2009
    Messages:
    9,821
    Likes Received:
    1,619
    That doesn't make it rational. There are many instinctual behaviors that are self-destructive and irrational.
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Believing in god isn't self-destructive. People who believe in god rate themselves as happier and tend to live longer. There's an evolutionary basis for having faith in something and being a spiritual individual. It's very rational.

    Rational doesn't mean something has to be true. It just means there has to be a strong justification and reasoning behind a thought.
     
  3. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,041
    Likes Received:
    23,304
    If he did use Dragon, that's a bit strange. I'm pretty sure Dragon is a representation of good fortune, greatness, power in many Asian culture.

    Maybe, but because our DNA can, I think carry more than just physical attributes. I think it is probably simple. Human are with very flaw reason and logic and easily hardened beliefs. And those may be carried over from previous lifes :) - this isn't that far fetched though. Our ancestor respond to their environment and their gene (that best respond to the environment) get passed on. There is always something passed on from previous generation, not just physical, but emotional tendencies, reasoning and logic ability from previous generation. If believing in a powerful deity helps with survival, it gets passed on.
     
  4. bongman

    bongman Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,213
    Likes Received:
    1,413
    Blind faith is the complete opposite of rational
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Can you rationally explain why anything exists at all?
     
  6. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,542
    Likes Received:
    7,752
    Why must it be explained?
    We exist. It doesn't matter why, it matters that it does.

    Our existence is self-evident.

    I agree that those always looking for answers will die unsatisfied, but not resorting to blind faith doesn't mean you as a result will suffer from insatiable hunger of curiosity for the unexplained.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Just saying you can't rationally explain existence, because existence is inherently irrational. Given that we all have to face death, the belief in a god gives purpose to life and helps people cope with the irrationality and cold reality of death. I am just saying that believing in god is a very rational thing to do given what we know.

    While I am an atheist, I would never claim someone's belief in god to be irrational.
     
  8. Cohete Rojo

    Cohete Rojo Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2009
    Messages:
    10,344
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Don't forget that conservatives were against fracking because of the environmental destruction witnessed in that Matt Damon movie.
     
  9. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,542
    Likes Received:
    7,752
    Its understandable why people turn to religion, but it doesn't make it rational. Its rational to accept death, your own morality, and the fact that you won't exist past your time on Earth. Its irrational to live a life of delusion.
     
  10. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    18,658
    Likes Received:
    11,688
    is altering data anti-science?

     
  11. bucket

    bucket Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    1,724
    Likes Received:
    60
    I'm not one to give credence to the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community, but when the Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog chimes in, I immediately take its assertions as Gospel.
     
    1 person likes this.
  12. Amiga

    Amiga Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    Messages:
    25,041
    Likes Received:
    23,304
    And if it's true, the folks that manipulate the data is unethical and yes, anti-Science.

    But that's the thing with Science. Errors (intentional or not) will be phased out. The UK dr that make the claim MMR vaccine causes autism is a recent example.
     
  13. tallanvor

    tallanvor Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    18,658
    Likes Received:
    11,688
    next time try reading the article

    'This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognised by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record.'
     
  14. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    You act like there is a conspiracy by scientists to defraud the world. Do you work for an oil company?
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    When you say it's understandable why people turn to religion - you are basically saying that it is rational. That's what rational means.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    68,549
    Likes Received:
    32,031
    Are you suggesting that there is a conspiracy by oil companies to defraud the world?
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,181
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    There is definitely a motivated self interested for an outcome. And as often the case, when an industry is threatened by the outcome of science, it tends to try to shape the science.

    If you don't think this happens, then you might want to research the Tobacco Industry, the Pesticides Industry, and even the Auto Industry.
     
  18. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    55,682
    Likes Received:
    43,473
    I would say oil companies funding certain "think" tanks to dissuade the American public that carbon emissions from human consumption of oil does affects climate in an impactful way is a assertion based on reason and evidence.

    Is the assertion testable? If I were to look at certain affluent and prevalent climate change deniers can I look up who is usually funding them? Yes. Now, are they usually energy companies? Yes... A conclusion can be made that Oil companies are being more disingenuous to the public than scientists are.

    I find it odd that you would frame the question in such a manner that has an obvious answer yet it seems as if you will find my answer surprising.
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    68,549
    Likes Received:
    32,031
    Yes....and that's true for both, if they were to stop supporting the idea of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change their research funding would dry up in a heartbeat. That's absolutely the only reason their research is funded as well as it is and they know it.

    Why ignore the motivated self interest of one side while harping on the motivated self interest of the other?
     
  20. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2010
    Messages:
    55,682
    Likes Received:
    43,473
    Are you actually suggesting that climate science is obsolete if climate change is obsolete? Are you suggesting that there is nothing more to climate science than climate change? Are you actually that dense? :eek:
     
    #160 fchowd0311, Feb 8, 2015
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2015

Share This Page