OKC was close to trading Reggie Jackson to the Denver Nuggets

If Morey offered Presti a straight up trade, Presti would laugh.

If Presti offered Morey that trade, Morey would hurt himself signing the paperwork.

Every team in the NBA would take RJ over Bev. It really isn't debatable.

You are the opposite extreme of the people who used to overrate RJ.

 

I think you overrate Jackson and underrate Beverley on this one.

While I won't guess how other GMs would rate the two in relation to one another, I do know that Beverley has at least two advantages over Jackson:

(1) Beverley (.382 this season, .371 career) is a much better 3-point shooter than Jackson (.285 this season, .290 career); and

(2) At least from initial reports, Beverley would be imminently more "re-sign-able" than Jackson, who fancies himself a near-max quality player and will demand that sort of money this summer or possibly just accept his qualifying offer and take his chances as an unrestricted free agent in 2016 (when teams will be spending their new-found TV money like drunken sailors on anyone who can dribble a basketball).

Given those two factors above, I don't think it's a given that Morey would jump all over a straight-up swap of Beverley for Jackson. (Also, Houston would have to throw additional salary into any sort of trade for matching purposes.)

 

I don't know what world you live in but Morey would not deal Patrick Beverly straight up for Reggie Jackson.

What excites you about Jackson? His sporadic defense, awesome ability to run the team, kick ass 3 point shoot? Maybe his great attitude? His pending free agency?

I want an upgrade at point guard over Beverley..... but he defends, protects the ball, plays under control and sticks the 3........ Jackson really doesn't do much of anything and the advances stats spell that out.

 

In terms of the team's future, this is a rational choice.

But in terms of the Thunder's current situation, still 10th in the west and having an uphill battle to climb, this will be a very bad message sending to the team - especially your 2 stars future is so unclear.

Players will compare and show whether they will like to stay, take LAD in Portland as an example, he is willing to play through the rest of the season with a almost broken thumb, that shows how confident he is with the franchise.

Durant and Westbrook will not be that happy with a trade like this, even they may not like RJ that much.

 

Agreed.

I am not saying Patrick Beverley is some special player. Ideally I want him off the bench like Nate McMillen was in the 90's.... still, Jackson has not done much to justify the attention he is receiving. Perhaps Jackson develops, but he hasn't so far. For a CONTENDING team, Beverley is more valuable.

 

Good point on sign-ability, but the reason Bev would be easier to re-sign is because he's not valued as much by teams around the NBA. I should have just focused on their ability, which was the real question.

 

RJ is a creator that can generate his own shot and shots for others. He's also very athletic, long and can finish strong at the rim in traffic or on the break. Bev is pretty much a zero in both categories. He's just a 3 and D guy.

Most of Bev's 3s are when his feet are set. It's like hitting a golf ball of a tee. RJ shoots his off the dribble (which is his fault) because he is the primary creator for their 2nd unit. If it was apples vs. apples, the percentage difference probably wouldn't be much.

If Bev didn't play next to Harden, he would not be worth much. Harden's greatness hides him. Remember Tyronne Lue (Kobe), Damon Jones (Wade). I could name others.

Don't mistake my blunt comments. I like Bev. Just giving my opinion about his ability.

 

Right now, he only has one plus skill: creating his own shot. But it's one of the most valuable ones in basketball, so someone will give him a contract. How valuable a player he is overall when you factor in his minus skills (shooting, shot selection, defense) and neutral skills (playmaking, TOs, finishing at the rim) is debatable.

His comments may be making some GMs skittish about trading for him, since he could be a chemistry problem. Any team that signs him to be a starter is taking a gamble on him, since his current production and development as a player to date don't justify the kind of contract he's looking for.

(Whoops, I see I took too long posting this and most of my points have already been made.)

 

What are you smoking?

 

he's probably a thunders fan.

 

Was just about to post that the Rockets should go after Chandler. damnnnniiittt

 

Fortunately, it's possible to compare apples to apples with the stats provided today.

Percentages on Catch and Shoot attempts:
Beverley: 58.3% eFG (38.9% FG, 40.2% 3PT)
Jackson: 32.6% eFG (22.8% FG, 21.2% 3PT)

So in that regard, it should be pretty obvious that Jackson is simply a bad shooter. However, he's actually way better on pullup jumpshots (38.1% from three, but overall just an eFG% of 44.5).

 

ever since Masai left, every move they've made are head scratching

 

Wow. Wrong. Just wrong

 

Do you have something statistically based to back up your assertion or are you just assuming that Reggie Jackson is a good basketball player based on watching him play a half dozen times?

 

Hope you're kidding. The Thunder would WASH the Warriors.

 

He is going to be an RFA and probably expect/maybe even get a $13-14 mm deal - Presuming Morey acquires him with intent to keep him, rather than as a rental, Morey would hurt himself signing the paperwork for a rental guy whose best spot on the Rockets is probably the first guy off the bench to create offense?

He certainly didn't for Parsons who is a much better fit and was already here.

 

Interesting to say the least mostly because of the Lawson connection. Any team trading for Jackson has to know that if he's not given the starting spot, they can assume he's looking to leave them in FA as soon as possible.

I don't necessarily think that this has anything to do with the Nuggets wanting to move Lawson. I think this probably has more to do with the Thunder really wanting one or more of the Nuggets veterans (Afflalo and/or Chandler), and them seeking Denver out.

Whoever takes on Jackson is taking a gamble that this kid is going to make strides as a starter that will be worth paying him for. The deal killer here had to have been Denver realizing that they probably didn't want to deal with the situation of having to then look at either flipping Jackson before the deadline, or even think about trading Lawson.

I would have to think that if the Thunder are that interested in the Nuggets pieces, there is a potential for a 3rd team to facilitate to take back Jackson and make everyone happy.

Surprised that we haven't heard Morey having interest in Jackson yet out there in the media. Seems to be the player that he typically goes hard for, and is at a needed position. My hunch would be that they might not be very high on him at all, and/or they are holding out for a better player like Dragic/Lawson at the deadline.

 

What on Earth?? Are you trying to screw the Rockets? Because that's how you screw the Rockets. D-Mo straight up for Jackson is a terrible trade, let alone including Bev in the deal. OKC wouldn't even let Morey finish his sentence before accepting that deal.

 

I just don't see Jackson as an even average starting point guard, nor do I think he will settle for a reasonable deal.

Just a guess, but I think Denver is looking to rebuild. Tank isn't the right word, but I think almost everyone on their roster is available for a reasonable price.