Why is sympathy for Islam so common on the political left?

The Real Sports segment on that was disgusting. I wish I had a link to the video where the guy was interviewed.
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It's your opinion that it's contrary to the Bible today but for nealy 2,000 years that was not the opinion of Christians. You're just ignorant. You think the world started the day you were born or something.

Your ignorance of world history isn't my arrogance. It just underscores how dangerous religious faith is in general when people like you choose to ignore history and create your own fiction to fit nicely into what you believe, facts be damned. Scary really.

 

Reading Hustle Towns posts is like watching Charles Barkley talk about the Rockets.

 

Why should showing sympathy towards a group that is (undeniably) a frequent target for racist/bigoted language and accusations be considered the same thing as tacit support for racism by that group? I don't think any person who genuinely supports liberal ideals like personal freedom, equality, etc. (as I suppose most self-labeled leftists do) would support a lot of the attitudes that are prevalent in Arab culture.

 

That's not exactly what I said. I think you need to differentiate: First of all, being Muslim is not a race. I would think you and I 100 % agree that anyone should be defended from racism, regardless of whether they are Muslim, Christian, Jew or atheist. But defending someone from racism doesn't mean you need to side with them on what they stand for ideologically. And I think that many leftists don't understand this distinction. There is actually a strong element of self-serving patronization in their attitude. "I must side with this person because they are being victimized. It makes me feel like a better person". Whether the person they are siding with in fact holds way more intolerant beliefs is surprisingly irrelevant to the leftist do-gooder.

This is interesting. I agree with you that that would be what would be logical.

However, probably much less so with Muslims in the USA, but certainly in Europe, these attitudes, which we apparently agree exist and are prevalent, have to a large extent not been shed by the Arabs and Turkish Muslims, even though they moved to a more liberal country. So if you side with them in political discussion, you are empowering and strengthening people who hold attitudes that are diametrically opposed to much of what liberals have fought for over decades.

Don't you see the contradiction in this? I think many, many liberals don't see it. But some do, like, e.g., Bill Maher. He is quite far on the left, but he says that by criticizing Islam, he is actually - in contrast to many of his leftist friends - the one that is consistent in his position, while they are not.

"I am the liberal in this debate" - Bill Maher

 

Well there is so much ignorance in the OP's original post about what the Left thinks or anyone thinks it's kinda sad.

 

Easier said than done because pain and anger can pass down from generation to generation. Just like hate and indifference (you see how in this day and age people still hate others because of ethnicity/race). Just look at the other countries that have been fighting with each other since the biblical days and still going at it. And black folks were still getting lynched in this country on the regular like slaves up until the civil rights movement. Not enough time has passed to just not feel some kind of way about it. But it's not like Black Americans are blowing up federal buildings and killing a bunch of white folks in retaliation

Most Black Americans still have slave traditions anyway... Like practicing their European slave religion Christianity. Religion is just about power and control. Those books were written to control people. Simple as that.

 

a thousand different nuances motivated by a thousand different reasons

But all religions try to impose a moral order to promote a symbiosis for their societies, it's just nuances that divide them. The problems between them arise from their requirement to claim divine superiority conflict, that Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Mormon, Scientologist etc. have exclusive sanction from a Supreme Being. You either defend your particular interpretation to the death or admit that it is arbitrary and ultimately powerless.

Science and human understanding of our place in the infinite is already rendering most of the ideas archaic. What we are seeing is the last desperate gasps of fits of delusion. The thought of a human-centric, non-divine moral code is pretty scary to most people. They see it's only option as anarchy where they as individuals will not be protected by a greater societal code. But the truth is all religions are just 'agreed upon' social codes anyway, there was never any real gods, heavens or hells.

Religious in-fighting and the concept of religious superiority is ridiculous really. Human beings are ridiculous.

 

I do not believe that the acts of terrorism decried by the OP were Muslim acts even if they were committed by people professing to be Muslim.

 

Threads like these are why I post so infrequently here now.

Labels and broad brushes. Assumptions and projection.


"Christians think this way so _______________"

"Liberals think this way so ______________"

I'm certainly labelled a Christian, and it seems I very rarely think the way people expect me to....and it frustrates me when people tell me what it is I believe


That is not a criticism of the original poster in the thread...I think it's just what happens when we engage one another behind keyboards instead of actually getting to know people in real life who have different viewpoints.

 

dude, what parallel universe do you live in

 

because Islam is largely poor and nonwhite and anti-Western

 

No it isn't. If you live in the US _ every American knows (or should know) that a majority of the terrorist acts on US soil are not perpetrated by Muslims. Has a Muslim ever shot or killed a president...??? Does the KKK and other white supremacist groups enlist Muslims...??? Are the Mexican cartels Muslims...??? Are gang bangers Muslims....???

If everyone thinks like you... Muslims are headed for concentration camps.

 

I'm pretty sure that what "leftists" fought against was pedophiles who were being protected by the Catholic church, not the church itself, but continue throwing out straw men, logical fallacies seem to be all you have.

 

do you mean Muslims?

and seeing as how the Sauds, Qatar, and most of that bloc of goodfellas has more money than Crassus, not sure where the "poor" designation comes from.